Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

There was a Scottish MEP that went in for 4 days or something like that and got £2000.
Salary for doing a job ....

Will that no longer happen in Brexit Britain?

I can see one benefit in that the Government has destroyed its excuse for blaming the EU for their own legislation. There are two types of action here - they either take EU legislation, tag on extra bits which make it more onerous and they say "Not us Guv, Blame the EU." Or they don't bother to make representations about proposed legislation, a particularly common stance from Cameron onwards, find that the legislation is not to the UK's interest, and again "Not us Guv, blame the EU". Then a third type, like the roaming legislation where May claimed that 'We have introduced roaming'. Er no, you didn't do it yourself, the EU brought it in.

So after the Transition, the lazy excuse falls away.

Now about those 40 new hospitals and 50,000 more nurses.....

If you own a home in Brussels, you should not be getting the allowance.

a) this no longer affects us. b) when it did, we were on very shaky grounds with MPs claiming dodgy expenses, 'flipping homes', claiming for duck houses etc.

You are framing greater accountability quite negatively there (not without justification), but I am optimistic that greater accountability will improve the output of both UK government and parliament. Conversely the lack of accountability at EU level would probably have been a bad thing over time.

With a more honest Government than one led by Boris Johnson, I would be more hopeful but as far as I am concerned he has chased out many of the Tories with integrity who would have held him to account.

but I am optimistic that greater accountability will improve the output of both UK government and parliament
R..i..g..h..t

The Tories who abolished the Audit Commission
The Tories who abolished the Standards board for Elected members
The Tories who handed most schools to unaccountable private companies
The Tories who capped council tax rises and forced local government into deficit
The Tories who raised the minimum wage without funding the hospitals and care homes to pay it

Do, please, tell me what makes you think that the most centralised Government in Europe will suddenly become more locally accountable.

Give it a rest,no one knows yet

Give it a rest,no one knows yet

Exactly. UK left the EU less than 2 working days ago.

No, I don't see why we should give it a rest. Recent Tory Governments haven't got a good record on accountability and now that MPs with integrity have been kicked out there is even less likelihood that they will become accountable.

Easiest deals in history, done in an afternoon. What is stopping them?

Does it not say something, that May who was all about fair play, lost control of the Tory's and the HOC. That it is only because Boris is bloody minded and stubborn that we got any progress.
Maybe what we do need right now is what we have.
Which isn't a fence sitter like Corbyn.

You had a blister on your toe, but it's alright now because you cut your foot off. A bloke down the pub told you it would grow back again.

Mummy- it says a lot about the tories, yes! And it says a lot about the people that voted for the Tories with Boris as Leader!

Well no one voted Corbyn in to take his place.
We have the person who kept his promise, who got us out.

Personally speaking my reasons for voting out were:

To reclaim sovereignty - I strongly believe that our own courts should be the final line of appeal in this nation. Whether they rule in favour of things I agree with is irrelevant. Once they make their ruling that should be it. An outside judiciary should have absolutely zero say in our law making (and upholding) process.

Immigration- but not in the horrid way all you remainder speculate leave voters feel. I strongly believe that we should welcome the brightest and best from all over the world (doctor's, nurses, engineers, scientists etc). It's an absolute disgrace that an eastern European beggar can waltz straight in, but an Indian doctor has to jump through thousands of hoops to become a resident. We need highly skilled immigrants, not freedom of movement for strawberry pickers. By leaving at least we can set our own terms and prioritise immigrants that will benefit our society. For the record I'm married to a highly skilled Indian immigrant.

Personally I'm not opposed to a trading bloc, but it was the idea of 'ever closer union' that sealed the deal for me. It's simply not possible for so many countries with different economies and industries to be perfectly aligned in terms of laws, taxes, welfare, immigration etc. I simply wanted my country to be free to determine its own fate. Yes we may experience a down turn in the short term... But Germany and France are heading towards recession. I feel we'll be much better off alone in the long run, with the freedom to negotiate trade deals that benefit us and only us.

Flim- I think your's is the first post that clearly outlines what you believe the benefits of Brexit will be.

@mummy2017

Save your energy for your divorce. Many on here scared of change. So you will never get an objective answer.

Peregrina used to have a counter part Lclerc who was identical. Their view is that if you don’t disprove everything they say then the 17.4 million are obliged to demand that Brexit is cancelled.

Brexit is happening.

Treaty law is the way nations come together to set standards. These treaties need remedy mechanisms for breaches.

In the case of the WTO, there is. or was until Trump killed it, a WTO Court that ruled on disputes.

Other international treaty bodies such as the International Maritime Organisation or the International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea also rule on disputes.

A world without treaties would be a more dangerous place where the big fish gobbled up all the little fish then attacked each other over the lack of resources.

We are already a sovereign nation - brexit white paper admitted that.
We have an independent judiciary which has always been able to pass uts own legislation (although cummings is trying to change that)
Most immigration is from outside the Eu (219,000 v 59,000) and funnily enough we do need strawberry pickers as well - read the headlines about fruit rotting in the fields.

@FreakStar

Entirely possible the benefits may never materialise, that all depends on our own politicians now. Another reason I voted leave actually - now our own lying cheating overlords have no scapegoat. If they break their promises it's on them alone they can't blame outside influences.

The long and short of it is that it's done now. We have a potentially great opportunity on our hands, everybody should stop gloating/moaning about the result and make the most of it. We've been through recessions even whilst we were in the bloc, we toughed that out and if there's another one then we'll tough that out too.

Used to love fruit picking , we got paid by output.

The long and short of it is that it's done now. We have a potentially great opportunity on our hands, everybody should stop gloating/moaning about the result and make the most of it. We've been through recessions even whilst we were in the bloc, we toughed that out and if there's another one then we'll tough that out too

I will second, third, fourth and fifth that.

We don't just need skilled workers. We need fruit and veg pickers, floor-scrubbers and arse-wipers.

@Mockersisrightasusual

This is going to be highly controversial given the strong left leaning bias on MN but here goes anyway...

We have hundreds of thousands of unemployed Brits sitting around doing bugger all day, how about they were put to work doing low skilled jobs instead of us having to import low skilled workers? We have a huge potential work force in this country that is not being effectively utilised, it just creates a drain on our already dwindling resources. Every street sweep or fruit picker we import prevents a nurse or doctor coming here - worth remembering that when everyone is bleating on about the staffing crisis in the NHS

What do you mean by 'put to work?'

What form of compulsion might this involve?