Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

Would you like to define 'Better Governance?'

What part of better governance is not understood?

People have looked at the EU, which is a bloated lumbering overly bureaucratic machine, and decided a better system of governance is one that is closer to home so that accountability is more instant and the ability to respond to change more nimble.
This covers it I think.

Zac Goldsmith was voted out by the electorate but is in Government
Dominic Cummings has never been elected by anybody and controls Government
Nicki Morgan did not stand for election and is in Government

do, tell me, how that is an improvement over the EU ?

Are you happy with First Past the Post? Would you still be happy if Labour won again and was in for another 13 years? Are you happy with Devolution? Would you like England to have a Devolved Parliament, or English Regions to have devolved Parliaments? Would you like to see more powers given to Local Government? Which International bodies do you want to either opt in or opt out of?
Quite a lot of issues to get your teeth into when defining 'Better Governance'.

Do you follow how appointments are made to the EU and the ECB in sufficient detail to be able to present a balanced argument?

Peregrina perhaps the time to argue those points with Leavers was before we actually left. I know you (and others) did - the point is that people were not convinced, so to keep asking these questions now is not doing anyone any good.

It's a good job that MeganBacon is not a student of Government because if an essay question had been set to say 'Discuss Better Governance', that reply would have scored a big fat zero.

Yawn.
Why don’t you google ‘reasons people voted leave’.
Your OP is just goady.
So many threads like this with Brexiteers explaining why they voted - why not look some of them up.

It wasn't an essay question though was it? It was a random person on the internet trying to be goady.

It most certainly is doing good to ask these questions - because unless you are happy to live in a Dictatorship most of us would like to see the Government held to account. Many of us feel that FPTP is no longer a good way to Govern (and doesn't actually have all that long a history in the UK), but so far it's suited both the Tories and Labour to continue with it because it's given them huge majorities. It's also kept people like Farage out, who odious though I think he is, does represent a group of people, who have as much right to have their say in Parliament as the next person. (Not that Farage would actually attend, preferring to prop up the bar, but you may be able to get the idea.)

It was actually a genuine question. There could well be a possibility of the UK breaking up. Would this be right? Would there be a better way of keeping the UK together, perhaps by having a Federal System.

BTW Fizzaftersix - the thread isn't why did people vote to Leave, it's what you hope to see improved.

...the EU ...is a bloated lumbering overly bureaucratic machine.

What size of EU would qualify as not bloatd?

Would less than 1% of combined GNI do you?

When you don't audit expenses and just offer an amount, then yes it is bloated.
There was a Scottish MEP that went in for 4 days or something like that and got £2000.

With regard to better governance does that mean more accountable to the electorate ?
If that's the case tell us how preventing scrutiny of said government contributes to this. Proroguing parliament to prevent proper examination of the WA and now restricting downing st policy briefings to certain politically acceptable journalists/newspapers doesn't especially seem very open....

There was a certain Nigel Farage who was an MEP for 20 odd years and had one of the worst attendance records and was on the Fisheries committee which he attended once out of 42 times. If he'd tried that sort of malarky in Local Government he'd have been disbarred for non-attendance.
So yes you do have a point there, although it no longer affects us now.

You get £300 a day 'subsistence' just for turning up at the House of Lords. You can then sod off with your money, and many do. Your point is?

Think farage takes the biscuit for not turning up yet being paid how many meetings of the Eu fisheries committee did he turn up to over the
years ?

what size of EU would be "not bloated?" Good question,

First: Geography, Brussels or Strasbourg, pick one, close the other
Second: get these people providing evidence of what they spend our money on ASAP
Third: Repatriation of powers. the EU should be giving back areas of competence, not establishing new ones. So maybe it should have a plan to return powers over areas of "shared competence" over time.
Forth: 27 commissioners = 27 directorates?! why do they need so many directorates, wouldn't multiple commissioners working on fewer things be beneficial?

But at least in Parliament we have now instituted the idea of recall petitions for MPs who have committed certain offences. It's only taken us two hundred odd years to get this far. It would be good to disbar them for non-attendance, as in Local Government.

Do you mean auditing expenses or the actual Eu budget ?

The Strasbourg-Brussels thing is an embarrasment, and the French are being worn down over it. They will have to give in eventually.

Would you say the same about MPs and their two homes?

Expenses to be audited.
If you own a home in Brussels, you should not be getting the allowance.

But the fact that you know about those things, can complain and challenge robustly, is a very good thing. I might have missed equally robust challenge on these boards to, for instance, the appointment of Ursula von Der Leyen, or it may not have happened because people don't really know who she is.

Is that it?

We are imperiling the entire economy for decades over a few grand. Or a few hundred grand. Or a few hundred billion which is still nothing compared to the size of the economy.