Please can leavers please tell me how Brexit will benefit us?

[DaveGrohlsMuse]

Whenever this is asked mid-thread, it's never answered. There's plenty of information out there about how the UK had benefited from membership, but I really struggle to find info on how it's had a negative impact.
So in Jan 2021, once the transition period is over and we actually start to see the impact of the decision, what will improve? How will yours, and mine, and the general population's lives improve?

On the Relationships Board:

OP: I'm not happy in my relationship. If I leave I'm not sure what the future will hold. I might be worse off for a while. Some people think my reasons for wanting to leave aren't good enough and I should stay in the relationship. What should I do?

Unanimous replies: You can leave a relationship at any time for any reason. You don't have to ask permission or justify yourself to anyone. Do what will make you happy.

@mummmy2017

I can understand people wanting a 'change' as they are frustrated. However, shooting yourself in the foot is a change, but you don't willingly (hopefully) shoot yourself in the foot, just for a change (or do you? But that's another story).

The point being, will leaving the EU 'change' the lives of those people you speak about in any meaningful or beneficial way?

Or is it case of change, any change is better than no change? Things might change, but not in the way you might hope.

Projecting frustrations outward onto a political institution or trading bloc might be understandable and even normal in some respects, but making decisions with far reaching consequences based on those projections, is not, in my opinion, wise.

Where does National Pride get you Mystery. Not going to put food on the table

Don't remember saying it would. UK has a benefits system that ensures people don't starve and I always buy 2 for 1 at supermarket and give the second to the food banks.

Some cases of malnutrition, but are some of them lifestyle choic related? Uncle of mine would rather drink and smoke than feed himself.

@MarySidney

Context is everything

National Pride (ie EU has finally been told to piss off) I suspect that a lot of Scot Nats feel the same way about independence ie they want to get rid of the English 'yoke'. And yet ardent remainers see this as a noble sentiment for Indy people to hold.
I'm against Brexit and Scottish independence but I understand why leavers voted as they did. For me the answer 'sovereignty' is enough to explain their choice. I voted remain because I didn't want things to change. I was in a happy marriage. In other words I was all right , Jack.

The trouble with Divorce is that people don't always know what will make them happy. I have seen friends divorce and I would say the results are usually 50:50. In some cases they knew more or less straight away that they married the wrong person, and those seem to be the ones which come out of it happiest. Others have said that they wished they'd worked at their marriage.

You can leave a relationship at any time for any reason. You don't have to ask permission or justify yourself to anyone. Do what will make you happy

Well spotted. Sums up people's entitlment to choose what they want is not conditional upon seeking the opinion of others first.

So the benefits of Brexit may rely on benefits!

Mary fine one person getting divorced but everyone else in the country doesn't have to get divorced at the same time.

fine one person getting divorced but everyone else in the country doesn't have to get divorced at the same time

Divorces are between two persons only. They are not subject to referendum or General Elections.

Mary fine one person getting divorced but everyone else in the country doesn't have to get divorced at the same time.

This is a good point. I recall two girls I worked with, one divorced called Sue, and one called Chris, going through a rocky period in her marriage. Chris said that the trouble with Sue was that because she divorced she thinks everyone else should do to. Chris decided that her marriage was worth working at.

Everytime the UK outperform the EU come forward demanding more money.
The 10 Billion they want for this year, could be better used in the UK.
None of this money will be reallocated to UK projects as it is extra to the bugets.
So does that seem fair.

Divorces are often not just between two people - very often there are children involved.

Oh goody goody, more tax cuts for the already wealthy.

Divorces are often not just between two people - very often there are children involved

Yes, but the relationship certificate is between the parents.

And what a huge risk having to have faith in BJ to do a good deal.

I am in education, Boris has screwed the budgets for schools. he has been making loud noises about increasing the funding per pupil, which it looks as if it will happen, so that is good. But what he is not shouting across the rooftops is that he is cutting other funding for schools, so schools will be in the same pecuniary position they are already in or indeed be in a worse position.

And whatever your view on Brexit is, to make the UK great, sovereign, National Pride whatever you want to call it, is good education and we are not going to have that. The worst performing children are white working class boys, who probably come from families who made up a large proportion of Leave voters in deprived areas. Being out of the EU is not going to help these boys.

So I am sorry but I have no faith whatsoever in Boris.

If we end up with more money then it can be used to help schools and hospitals.
The lack of money is schools has been going on for decades, it didn't just happen this year.
Labour should some of that blame also.

Sorry labour shoulder...

Mummy2017 as I have stated before one of the reasons I couldn't vote for Leave was because I couldn't trust the government to sort Brexit out, didn't matter whether it Boris, Labour whoever.

Yet many people who have complained about how the government have not looked after, left them in poverty etc, are now happy to let the same government sort out Brexit

The lack of money is schools has been going on for decades, it didn't just happen this year. Labour should some of that blame also.

And this is an informed opinion, or just a Leaver soundbite? I know that on this one you are talking rubbish. A now retired headteacher friend said that under Major's Government, the constant refrain from his Governors was that "We can't afford that." Under Blair those same needs were now funded.

Local schools certainly seemed to have more money under labour

I base that on the three schools my children attended...all of whom are struggling now and have been for a number of years

I was at school under Thatcher.
Old worn out gym equipment.
Books from 30 years before.
My sister 5 years younger than me.
New school ,old book so much was just shifted over. It was a joke.
By the time my sister left school, I was collecting my other sisters kids , reading books that actually had the mother's name in them, from her school years.
The teacher were always complaining over lack of funding.
By the time my own children were at the school the same New schools were still being used with equipment from twenty years before, when it was refitted, We had to buy the books as schools couldn't afford too, this was the Blair years.

I could have added that I was doing the finances in a school under Major's Government, but I was no longer there by the time Labour got in.

What has made me angry about mummmy's silly post is that she doesn't know what she is talking about when she glibly said that schools were always underfunded and included Labour. You have got your Tory Brexit, you have got your Tory Government, so let us see you OWN THE PROBLEMS. Let's see you press Johnson's Government for more money for schools, hospitals, care staff - whatever cause is dear to you. Stop copping out and saying it's not up to you.

I am pleased at least to see that you manage to acknowledge that Thatcher starved the public sector of funds.

Now for those who were my age - the 1950s Tory Government's didn't cut back on school funding, or the NHS. Both DH and I had new schools for part of our primary education.

We cannot change the past.
We can change the future.
What FUTURE positives do you expect from Brexit?

It's about choosing a system of governance that you prefer. People have looked at the EU, which is a bloated lumbering overly bureaucratic machine, and decided a better system of governance is one that is closer to home so that accountability is more instant and the ability to respond to change more nimble. More voters than not decided that the advantages of eu membership, such as freedom of movement etc., were less important than more sound governance.
You may not agree with it, but that's it in a nutshell. People have answered this question many times. The benefits of better governance are (as yet) intangible, but intangible does not mean unimportant. Time will tell. To keep asking the question when the battle has long been lost is just pointless and serves only to whip up ill feeling.