Brexit - the Good, the Bad and hopefully not the Ugly

[Bearbehind]

Following on the thread about how we will measure the successes or failures of Brexit, I’m just leaving this one here for people to record the successes and failures as they occur / as they see them

All welcome if you discuss the subject of the thread - this isn’t a thread for moaning about the fact Brexit is happening! 😁

so come on, back to the OP with some cheery tidings of country fortunes to come

Democracy preserved

Confidence in UK electoral system restored

UK is not shackled to EU and can seek trade deals elsewhere.

Hopefully new deals elsewhere will balance the monster trade deficit that UK has with the EU

As one poster said maybe Bears question is too early. As time passes there will be actual post Brexit data to refer to. Then it is easier to say if improvements have been made.

At the moment it is mostly guessing games by both remain and leave as to what the future will hold.

So discussions pointless until next election is announced.

Far from it - with a Government peopled by MPs of little competence, there is every reason for their to be discussion. Who knows, Johnson might be able to steal some ideas.

There, not their sorry.

Democracy preserved. Confidence in UK electoral system restored UK is not shackled to EU and can seek trade deals elsewhere.

Gods sake give it a rest. It’s starting to sound like the front page of the express😕

@MysteryTripAgain please stop turning this into some sort of lecture, you shouldn’t keep repeating the same stuff over and over again.

This is the most depressing thing. It's not Bear complaining that we aren't all bending over for Boris to shaft us as he sees fit, but Mystery repeatedly posting the same meaningless shit showing how little she understands of the issues. Why isn't Bear complaining about that?

And why has she got so much time to post this bullshit? She's not SpringingIntoAction being paid to I presume, because at least they seemed to have a modicum of knowledge...

@MysteryTripAgain please stop turning this into some sort of lecture, you shouldn’t keep repeating the same stuff over and over again

Isn’t that Bears point about remain supporters saying same thing since 23 June 2016?

Next tricky decision due, HS2 - do we continue to throw good money after bad, either way, massive costs incurred already

I would cancel HS2. Losing 12 Billion is less wasteful than losing 112 Billion.

Mystery there is a world of difference between coherent arguments and soundbites (democracy preserved). The latter is used to shut down debate not stimulate it.

you know thats what happens when you give complex decisions to people who don't understand the full implications
The only qualifications required to vote are;
To be over voting age
To turn up at the polling station

We are aware of this. If we weren't before, you have 'informed' us of this ad nauseum. The point you did not address is that leaving the EU is complex to the extent that the various governments since 2016 have been unable to articulate the benefits/the method of leaving etc etc. The point, in short, is not whether people are qualified to vote - we know they are. All they need is "to be over voting age yada yada". The point is whether they are informed enough to vote on such a complex matter. Some things are too complex to be decided by referendums, and many people think Brexit is one of those. But then, we don't like experts do we? Far better to put momentous decisions into the hands of the uninformed. (For the avoidance of doubt, I include voters on both sides in that term.)

Confidence in UK electoral system restored
Hands up who has confidence in the UK electoral system.
Our FPTP is woefully outdated.
Rumours of Russian interference have been covered up...

I think those working in the fishing industry are in for a nasty shock, I hope I am wrong.

I am not so sure that there is much positivity around democracy.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-51281722

Why isn't Bear complaining about that?

I am complaining about that - there’s about 5 of you just constantly derailing this thread rather than starting your own

mystery is probably the worst offender because he/she is the one arguing with Remainers which just leads to the threads being filled with the same old arguments

If it were just the handful of Remainers making the same points with no interaction / challenge then they’d get bored soon

The UK/EU trade deficit isn’t going to improve due to leaving - the UK will continue to buy from the EU. Chances of a decent trade deal with the US have now dropped through the floor.

mystery is probably the worst offender because he/she is the one arguing with Remainers which just leads to the threads being filled with the same old arguments

Remainers kicked of off on both of your threads as acknowledged by yourself on both threads. Did they start be answering your question or did they use your threads as another opportunity to repeat the same arguments presented since 2016?

MN is littered with threads asking leavers to justify their vote.

So, who thinks that the 5k pa given to a wide range of healthcare students (not just nurses) is a result of brexit?

My DD will get this, as will everyone else in her flat, though wellcome, it seems its going to be spent on gap year, new carpets! a car and a to pay for a move to Australia to work in their healthcare system.... nowadays, you have to have reasonably well off parents to go to uni to study on courses with a load of placement work.

Its seen as a bribe and what they'd really like is to leave Uni with lower debt and in particular, lower interest rates.

I see it as a consequence of Brexit as so many foreign workers are not coming here to either work in NHS to train.

MN is littered with threads asking leavers to justify their vote.*

I do think there’s a weird black hole where the last 4 years haven’t happened

There’s very few threads, of any, now asking Leavers to justify their vote and this certainly isn’t one of them

Bear

I ve just suggested something that could be argued good or bad as a result of brexit and your response is not to answer that but answer Mystery instead...... so perhaps a little rich in arguing your thread is hijacked by the same tired debates?

You are contributing to this.

My DD will get this, as will everyone else in her flat, though wellcome, it seems its going to be spent on gap year, new carpets! a car and a to pay for a move to Australia to work in their healthcare system....

Jasjas1973 leaving Brexit to one side for a mo, if your DD and flat mates are spending their £5k on carpets, cars and gap years then that’s a crappy waste of tax payers money and I would question their commitment to training studying.

Its seen as a bribe and what they'd really like is to leave Uni with lower debt and in particular, lower interest rates

Well maybe they could leave with lower debt if they used the money to help them with their studying costs rather than going shopping on taxpayers money.

Or have I misunderstood?

I ve just suggested something that could be argued good or bad as a result of brexit and your response is not to answer that but answer Mystery instead...... so perhaps a little rich in arguing your thread is hijacked by the same tired debates?

I don’t need to and certainly don’t intend to respond to every post - I just wanted this to be a place where people list what they see as successes / failures

It’s clear we’re not all going to agree on them anyway so that’s just more arguing

At nearly 300 posts it’s failed miserably though as it’s just littered with circular arguments

Confidence in UK electoral system restored

Not with me it's not. Where's the Russia report?

What's the point of pages and pages of lists? People arent going to visit thesr threads in 5 years to see if they've come to fruition. Is this what brexit has been reduced to, wishful thinking? Really is the stuff of unicorns. There should have been a plan 5 years go.

if your DD and flat mates are spending their £5k on carpets, cars and gap years then that’s a crappy waste of tax payers money and I would question their commitment to training studying

They all do 1000 hours unpaid work (over 3 years) on placement with an hourly rate of £00.00 ?
Have spent 10 weeks on a forensic MH ward, work alongside paramedics attending everything from a sprained ankle to picking up bits of someone after being flattened by a lorry? or the student doing midwifery , by the 2nd placement has helped deliver so many babies she'd lost count! and all whilst on placement, studying for exams, prepare for an end of placement presentation and a 3000 word essay..... no commitment there.... oh and the vast majority do holiday and term time jobs too, my DD works as a carer in the community, her BF is a care worker in a home, as she doesn't drive.
A few are older and have family commitments, they have to travel into uni everyday as they can't move into rented accomodation.

I don't think anyone could say they lack commitment but this idea that ALL students are poor is nonsense, on my DD course, she is by far and away the poorest there and we are not hard up at all.

However, Johnson is giving this money away, with no strings attached, more money (not his) spaffed up against the wall, he wouldn't be PM without your support, so blame him and yourselves not healthcare students who will be caring for all of us as we age.

So, who thinks that the 5k pa given to a wide range of healthcare students (not just nurses) is a result of brexit?

No, I think it's a because they haven't the guts to admit that abolishing the bursaries was a stupid mistake. Only now are they waking up to the fact that UK (English and Welsh?) students are being deterred because of the lack and now with Brexit there is no easy source of EU citizens willing to take up posts.