How will we measure Brexit’s success or failure?

[Bearbehind]

I’ve been pondering this for ages now

In any ‘normal’ project you’d have targets, objectives, deadlines, reviews etc but for Brexit beyond 2 deadlines of 31/1/20 and 31/12/20 there’s nothing

People talk about politicians being accountable now but what do we expect them to deliver and by when

I'm sure you don't mean "that depends" in respect of the negative economic impact on communities in the UK. As pp said, it isn't a competition but surely you must see that it's potentially pretty shitty for a lot of people here.

Mistigri is right when it comes to rights. We are the ones currently using our right to work abroad so of course it is going to affect us more than someone who may have no intention of exercising their right to FOM! And what's more we can't just move back unless we are well off as we won't have healthcare or benefits automatically. Plus, my Italian DH wouldn't qualify. So yes, we do have an opinion and I am disgusted that the government has thrown us under the bus - it hasn't even agreed to meet with representatives of Brits abroad associations to offer us any reasurrance. So much for the benefits of being a British citizen! Over the last three years we have learnt that you have to be the right kind of British citizen to have any sort of voice.

It would appear that even Mystery has had tbe good grace to come back here and bestow their tax money on us

Thank you. During my 30+ years working outside the UK most of earnings have been spent in UK. Over £2 million I would estimate. Surely that created a few jobs?

And yes, I know it is pretty shitty for those in the UK too but remember, we were also not allowed to vote on this BUT we have to have our rights taken away as a result. So yes, we are angry.

Very disappointed that you aren't seeing the negatives for people here. I know full well about the negative impact on your situation but you can't be so blinkered as to think it'll all be lovely here. And that people losing their EU rights here doesn't matter as much.

Me? I literally said it was bad for the UK too.

What about EU citizens who've made their lives here? What about the Polish kids here described as vermin in anonymous notes?

You literally said "it's bad but ..." suggesting that your situation trumps anyone here.

What does everyone think about Ian Bkackford's comments on the Brexit Bill. It is extraordinary that 52% of the English population are now dragging three other countries out of the EU against the express wishes of their democratically elected Parliaments. NI, Scotland and Wales have all refused assent to the Bill.

I don't know what you want - it's ALL bad but I agree with Mistigri - when it come to RIGHTS (which I said before - not everything, but rights) then we are losing MORE than anyone else. EU migrants in the UK only lose the right to live in the UK. We lose the rights in all the other EU countries!

People feeling disenfranchised and ignored is why we are where we are. Whole swathes of the UK felt ignored. For a couple of generations.

It is extraordinary that 52% of the English population are now dragging three other countries out of the EU against the express wishes of their democratically elected Parliaments

Several corrections required here.

52% of the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU in 2016 referendum.

United Kingdom is a single member of the EU. That UK comprises four members within itself is immaterial.

It was a national vote. The UK as a whole voted to leave.

On a micro level Wales also voted to leave.

"We lose the rights in all the other EU countries!"
So do we.

when it come to RIGHTS (which I said before - not everything, but rights) then we are losing MORE than anyone else. EU migrants in the UK only lose the right to live in the UK. We lose the rights in all the other EU countries!

And every British person in the UK loses those rights in every EU country and also have to live with the economic consequences here too

I’ve read some things that have surprised me on here in the past but this has truly astounded me

It’s absolutely unbelievable

Lol bellini - we’re virtually 1 voice now! 😂

I even think you are right about No Deal being put back on the table in December. I haven't decided what I think about that yet. Apart from Oh Feck.
I'm sure we'll find something to disagree on.

"So do we."

You retain a democratic say in it. I have no vote anywhere. For me that is a profound assault on a very basic right.

And every British person in the UK loses those rights in every EU country and also have to live with the economic consequences here too
As do we. We also lose voting rights and we are in a more precarious position as we are already abroad. Not sure why that's hard to understand. It's really not that controversial.

As do we. We also lose voting rights and we are in a more precarious position as we are already abroad. Not sure why that's hard to understand. It's really not that controversial.

How do you have to live with the economic consequences of Brexit that the UK will experience, when you don’t even live here?

Sorry, that should have said how are you more affected by them than we are

You can’t possibly be

How do you have to live with the economic consequences of Brexit that the UK will experience, when you don’t even live here?
Plenty of ways (not all for me). Some people

• because they rely on UK pensions
• because they work for UK companies
• because their job requires FOM
• because people are reluctant to employ Brits

But I was talking about loss of rights rather than economic consequences.

I literally cannot believe that people are continuing to argue that Brits living in the EU will be the most affected by Brexit

I do find the Tory & Brexiter
othering of people very tiresome

Climate change will bugger all of us if we do not work together
every nationality and race and creed and gender

English exceptionalism is so last century

@smet - we all loose those rights.
Our kids loose the rights to study at European Uni's

We are all equal loosers in this......