Any other remainers planning to leave?

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We’re lucky as DH can apply for Australian citizenship. Feeling so angry about the state of the county upping sticks seems like an extreme but satisfying plan!

@oliversmumsarmy the absolute last place I'd move if I had enduring and chronic health conditions would the the US. I know of people who have gone bankrupt there due to having cancer.

Hilarious that people are considering Scotland when they want independence and if they get it, won’t even get in the EU.
Also the fact that the place is a shitshow with sturgeon in charge.

We're leaving in 3.5yrs but considering bringing the date forward right now.

Yes, have also considered moving (back) to Australia. It really doesn't feel like the country I moved to, and I have serious reservations now about raising my kids here.

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Atm Dp isn’t covered by the NHS for any cancer treatment unless it is end of life care.

In their eyes he should be dead so any treatment is a waste of time. So any operations and treatment that might actually help him are down to us to pay.

He has American health insurance (because he works over there so much) so if he had been in the US when he was diagnosed then he would have not only been diagnosed before he got to the stage of it being terminal but we wouldn’t have had to pay for anything.

If he has good health insurance its ok. But I couldn't live in a country where people who get ill can't afford treatment, that disgusts me so much.

But I couldn't live in a country where people who get ill can't afford treatment, that disgusts me so much

Yes, isn't England amazing!

If England is bad now- then think of England without the NHS, thats basically what USA is!

I'd love to move to Scotland if they join the EU. I was opposing independence in 2014, but now I am all for it. I am sure Scotland will be fine without England, as small countries seem to do just fine in the EU. Meanwhile thinking about Germany, on the plus side - good job prospects for me, and no daily reminder of brexit, Tories, Johnson et al. On the minus side - still very intermediate German.

I don’t understand why people rate the NHS so much. It’s on its knees with ridiculous wait times. Most people I know have private health these days. We don’t use the NHS at all and haven’t for years.

Well good for you. Not everyone can afford private health care premiums. I used to work in the NHS and actually, the exact same consultants do private work too. So, if you go private you will likely end up with the exact same consultant you would have got via the NHS. So the actual treatment itself is the same. The benefits of going private would be shorter waiting times, nicer hospital food and fancy velvet cushions on the bed. Also, if you go private you often dont get the input of occupations therapists and other multi disciplinary teams that you get with the NHS. For things like hip replacements OTs are very necessary.

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Why does Brexit scare me so much?

I’m scared of food standards going down. Us eating GM wheat and chlorinated chicken and other abominations from the states.

I’m scared of dangerous pesticides being more widely used.

I’m not hanging round to get cancer when I can move anywhere in the EU.

oldandsad lots of remainers on mn.

I went to uni with a lot of doctors currently working in the nhs. We are now in our 40’s. They all agree that the nhs is on its knees. Expect a gradual sell off.

Well yes but shorter wait time is a benefit when you have something which needs to be diagnosed and treated urgently. I have lived in many European countries and never seen anything as bad and clogged up as the NHS yet the Brits seem to love it and think all Europeans want to live her so they can get on the NHS.

So, if you go private you will likely end up with the exact same consultant you would have got via the NHS. So the actual treatment itself is the same. The benefits of going private would be shorter waiting times, nicer hospital food and fancy velvet cushions on the bed. Also, if you go private you often dont get the input of occupations therapists and other multi disciplinary teams that you get with the NHS. For things like hip replacements OTs are very necessary.

That’s just not true. You might see the same consultant but you only see the consultant, never one of their team. MDT’s absolutely take place and in my experience you have much more access to AHP’s equally the consultants will often do different and operations and use drugs not allowed on the NHS. And don’t even get me started on cancer treatment where if you have decent insurance you can access the newest and most effective drugs immediately while the NHS is still dithering backwards and forwards about whether they want to pay for them

We have a long term plan to possibly go - would be Amsterdam or Dublin in all likelihood due to work opportunities and language issues, Just started GCSE's so finish that and then look at situation again. DH Irish/British as is daughter and If we went to Ireland first I could get it as well (although also entitled through descent) it breaks my heart I love this country and am very loyal, but also realise that its about you and family and people not about place necessarily. We are even considering boarding DD for 6th form etc

Well that has not been my experience at all. Most consultants work in both the private sector and the public. So this idea that if you go private, the actual quality of treatment will be better, or the consultant will have trained for longer or be more qualified is simply not true. Plus, I have seen first hand people being discharged from private hospitals without the support of the MDT so....

Regarding cancer treatment in the US:

"Cancer is costly, emotionally and socially. But it's especially pricey in terms of money. The stress of being unable to pay for treatment doesn't help your immune system while going through chemotherapy or radiation. It's impossible to relieve yourself of tension when your medical costs are bankrupting you and your family.

This is more common than you might imagine. A new study, published this month in The American Journal of Medicine, discovered that 42 percent of patients deplete their life savings during the first two years of treatment. There's good reason the term "financial toxicity" is in the name of this report.

"Of the 9.5 million cancer diagnoses studied between 2000–2012, researchers discovered that 42.4 percent of patients (median age 68.6±9.4 years) spent all of their money, averaging $92,098. This follows disturbing news from earlier this year that 40 percent of Americans can't afford to pay $400 in case of an emergency. The math is not adding up"

We emigrated pre Brexit - self & 3dc. Now doing very nicely in the ME.

I've considered moving back to the UK once the dc have finished their education, but Brexit has certainly convinced me I won't be doing that.

I do expect that I'd be able to get a bargain or two in terms of UK BTL properties post Brexit, which would be handy if any of the dc chose to study there.

Again, increasingly unlikely - much better options for an international fee paying student with excellent IB results elsewhere.

Sorry, UK, we're out & staying out.

Yes. Never thought about it until last Wednesday, now we both want to leave.

May have an imminent job offer in Germany and considering moving. Does anyone have any experience of living in Germany? DC are young (lower end of primary and younger) but I still worry about the German school system. I speak a very little German, DH and kids none. Jobs here are uncertain anyway. But despite hating the way this country is going there are many good things about our lives here!

My cousin has as his wife is from another eu country and his children dual. He’s going to her country till he can get citizenship there just in case she can’t get it here. It’s too much to risk otherwise.

Lived in NZ, really didn't like it and moved back. Im totally pissed off with Brexit and this right wing Government, but I'm at a time of life where family and friends are more important than ever. so I wouldn't be moving half way across the world again. But I might consider Ireland or Scotland (i'm entitled to an Irish passport and so is ds).

I hate rain though!

This is my country, my home and there is no way Boris & his shit show are driving me out. Plus, I suspect I am older than many on here and remember the Thatcher years. We survived them, we can survive Boris.

I actually live in Scotland and it is not Shangrila by the way. The SNP have royally fucked up education in schools. But again, it is my home, and my love for it is not dented by a few politicians. I plan to stay here & ultimately bequeath myself to the dirt. This is my homeland and it matters to me, I will not be made a citizen of nowhere by a bunch of Eton toffs and look upon this country as a place to buy cheap property to line my own pockets from ME. That attitude actually disgusts me as much as Boris.