Any other remainers planning to leave?

[BananaBlaps]

We’re lucky as DH can apply for Australian citizenship. Feeling so angry about the state of the county upping sticks seems like an extreme but satisfying plan!

By all means move to Australia if you want, by how does moving to a country with a points based immigration system make sense if you’re moving because the UK is tightening its immigration in a similar way by adopting its own points based system.

It would be like moving from Kuwait to Saudi Arabia because Kuwait had Sharia Law

We are probably going to move but more for different reasons.

I have terrible arthritis which in summer or in a hot country disappears.

Atm Dp works for a large American multinational so can move pretty much anywhere in the world but will probably go to the US because of the language barrier.
I can also get a visa independently from Dp

We are just waiting on whether he survives.

He was diagnosed with terminal cancer in 2016.

Oakenbeach One reason would be that as you get older, the harder it becomes to qualify for points based systems. I’m highly educated but don’t qualify for Australia. Waiting another year might be too late for some. It’s already hard for people to get visas for the UK for those that need them. Equally, a friend (non-British) who is an expert in his field and known nationally was offered a job in the States, but could not get a visa. It’s not always straightforward.

free healthcare too thanks to Medicare

Australian Medicare doesn't appear to be entirely free at all:

"What's covered by Medicare"
"Help with the costs of seeing a doctor, getting medicines and accessing mental health care."

"You may be able to access preventive cancer screening programs. We can also help with the cost of a range of tests and scans."

"Example"
"Maya went to her GP to discuss a few health concerns.While she was there, her GP advised her to get a flu vaccination and a blood test to check her iron levels."

"Maya’s GP bulk billed her.This means she didn’t have to pay for her appointment."

"Maya did have to pay for her flu vaccine.This is because we don’t cover the flu vaccine for most adults. Maya paid a total of $20 to cover the flu vaccine."

"Maya asked her GP how much the blood test would cost. Maya didn’t have to pay for this test because the pathology lab that tested the sample chose to bulk bill."

"The Medicare levy surcharge (MLS) is levied on Australian taxpayers who do not have an appropriate level of private patient hospital cover and earn above a certain income."

"You pay this Medicare levy surcharge as part of your income tax."

"MLS is designed to encourage individuals to take out private patient hospital cover, and, to use the private hospital system to reduce demand on the public Medicare system."

www.ato.gov.au/individuals/medicare-levy/medicare-levy-surcharge/
www.humanservices.gov.au/individuals/subjects/whats-covered-medicare

Sydney Morning Herald 2018
"Australia's 'hormone beef' not to Brexit Britain's taste."

www.smh.com.au/world/europe/australia-s-hormone-beef-not-to-brexit-britain-s-taste-report-20180606-p4zjoh.html

Of course people with dual nationality/citizenship must have thought at some time of leaving and living in the other relevant country. It would be pretty weird if you hadn't. Can't offhand think of a country that doesn't have similar if not worse problems though!

Considering Scotland

oh fgs

So Indyref is fine but Brexit wasn't?

LOL

Australia: The glaring problem with ‘voluntary’ school contributions.

"Busy parents are outraged after being tricked into thinking voluntary public school fees are in fact compulsory."

"Research conducted by the NSW Parents and Citizens Association published by Fairfax this morning found that up to 80 per cent of parents don’t realise school contributions are voluntary."

"In short, the majority of parents are shouldering a burden they needn’t shoulder—and in some cases, the financial cost is extreme, with contribution requests exceeding $2500 at some NSW state schools."

"And where are these exceedingly well-funded schools? Yep, in affluent areas of Sydney where some schools are earning close to $1.5 million in “voluntary” contributions every year."

"By contrast, there are nearly 400 schools in less privileged areas that receive no parental contributions at all."

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/the-glaring-problem-with-voluntary-school-contributions/news-story/6919717e478451eb86e74de8f5bf944e

So Indyref is fine but Brexit wasn't?

Indeed, this “grass is greener attitude” that somehow thinks that Brexit has made England one step removed from North Korea or Syria is ridiculous, and that places like Scotland, Ireland and Australia are beacons of liberal virtue and egalitarianism.

One reason would be that as you get older, the harder it becomes to qualify for points based systems. I’m highly educated but don’t qualify for Australia. Waiting another year might be too late for some.

Well that’s a good reason not to delay if emigrating to Australia is your dream... but it’s nothing to do with Brexit.

But you asked about points-based systems.

But you asked about points-based systems.

I was making the point that emigrating to Australia due to Brexit made no sense.

There is a possible, entirely rational, connection between people being simultaneously opposed to Brexit and yet in favour of IndyRef.

It's called the EU.

We are considering a move to ROI. I'm from NI and strongly identify as Irish rather than British, moved to England years ago but never really felt like I belonged here. My daughter has an Irish passport (husband could get one after a couple of years of residency) and I could move my job to Dublin and there are lots of other work opportunities for me, although we couldn't afford to live there so would have to look at commuting options.

It's a big decision though.

It's not just Brexit, it's seeing what this country is turning into. The food bank culture, NHS being on its last legs, right wing government etc. It's turning into a place I don't want my child to grow up.

The weather puts us off though. Every time I go home for a week we complain bitterly about all the rain and it's never properly warm in summer.

The food bank culture, NHS being on its last legs, right wing government etc

But again, most other countries in the EU have food banks on a par with ours, yes, their healthcare is better, but that's because it is generally partly privatised, roll on the NHS. As for right wing governemnt, again, the shift is the same in the rest of Europe. I don't think moving will make much difference to any of these issues. The weather and food are only better in Southern Europe, but then you have the problems of mass immigration and low employment.

I'm not supporting any ideal, but I just don't think anywhere is much better at the moment.

NHS being on its last legs

The NHS is not on its last legs... Ridiculous hyperbole. Yes, it has challenges, as every country has with the ever increasing demand from a growing elderly population, and being a victim of its own success in enabling ill people to live longer, better lives. Thr NHS may not have enough money, but it has more in real terms than at any point in its history due to the Tories protecting funding (unlike Police and Local Government for instance) and is set to get an above inflation increase of 3.4% next year.

Besides, Ireland is hardly a healthcare panacea.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/readme/opinion-the-national-childrens-hospital-is-a-case-in-point-but-why-is-public-healthcare-in-ireland-such-a-mess-4487876-Feb2019/%3famp=1

I'm pro-indy and a Remainer. Reason being, I don't want anything to do with the Tories in their current form, but I do want to be in a progressive country that's part of a larger trading bloc.

The NHS is not on its 'last legs' and this goverment is not 'right wing'. hth

Doctors being told that hospital management want them to make the "least unsafe" choices because there are insufficient resources to handle all urgent cases is not a healthcare system that you should be proud of. On its last legs, maybe not; deteriorating rapidly, yes.

@Clavinova I have no idea what you think you are adding to this thread.

There is a possible, entirely rational, connection between people being simultaneously opposed to Brexit and yet in favour of IndyRef

If vote for independence they will have to apply to EU for membership. Nicola Sturgeon was challenged as to whether Scotland would qualify for EU membership based of theIr current state of econo my. She failed to answer other than saying dent in Scotland was reducing.

EU may have strung Scotland along before the election saying that Scotland’s re- entry to EU was a forgone conclusion in hope that it would divide the UK and thwart Brexit. However, Johnson’s majority now makes Brexit a certainty, deal or no deal.

So if Scotland does vote for independence can they support themselves? They would lose the Barnett formula subsidy immediately.

Indeed if I was Boris I would only agree to a second referendum if Scotland agrees to return the money received from the Barnett formula and all the investment in North Sea Oil provided by England.

Should add up to a few billion.

@Clavinova

I've been in Australia for 14 months and have paid $0 to see a dr, dh has had an operation on his knee with a total cost of $0. It really is a pretty good system.

You can pay to go private but for us, it's not worth it.

Our DC go to private school, at a cost of $3500 per year.

It's not a perfect country, but out of a choice between UK or Australia, I definitely prefer Australia at the moment.

The Medicare Levy Surcharge is 1.5% of household income over $180k and 1% under this amount.

And we all had flu vaccinations this year , it was actually $20 for me only as dh has asthma and DC are free. So $20 for 4 people to have 5 shots.

Mystery
Indeed if I was Boris...

Thanks. I was failing to see the silver lining, but you've just helped me realise that there are still small mercies to be thankful for...

@RoonyTunes

She’s presumably just saying Australia isn’t a utopian land of milk and honey.