The Brexit Arms: Here it is! MERRY BREXIT!!!

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We did it!!!

We saw off Jezbollah, Mao-ZeMcDonnell & Head-Girl Jo 🙌🙌🙌

✊🥀

We got Brexit! (...finally... 🙄)

The HoC is painted Blue for Brexit & it's oven ready 😍

Dominic Raab is looking sexier than ever & will be returning for my our viewing pleasure which is the BEST RESULT OF ALL! 🥰🥰

To the tune of Slade's 'Merry Xmas Everybody':

🎵 🎶 🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶

IT'S CHRIIIIIISTMAAAAAAS!!!!!!!

So we booted John & Jez & head-girl Jo-o-o
And we gave our vote to Bo-oris & co-o-o

We can GET THAT BREXIT DONE now...
We can start to hope again!
Now the Marxists have been consigned to the biiiiin

So here it IIIIS - MERRY BREXIT!
Everybody’s having fun!
Loook to the future now, it’s only just be-gu-u-un

Now we’re laughing at the Corbyn Cult implo-o-ode
And we’re snorting as momentum start to fo-o-old...

Coz we’re on the Boris love train!
And it’s going full steam ahead!
How we CHEERED when all those seats flipped BLUE from re-e-ed

So here it IIIIS - MERRY BREXIT!
Everybody’s having fun!
Loook to the future now, it’s only just be-gu-u-un

🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶

Much festive cheer to all in the Arms!
🍾 🥂 🍻🍷

As ever, all are welcome - only one rule:

DON'T BE A TWAT!!

Note: I am a shit host, and not a patch on previous Landladies - I don't cook, I don't clean & I don't prepare drinks. I am a selfish bellend. If you want feeding, there's a microwave in back & a shop down the road. If you want drinks just help yourself 😘 - it's a free bar 🎉🥳🎈

After the years of shite we have endured, We WILL celebrate, we WILL enjoy it, we DON’T care if people don’t like it. Hide thread is that way...

This.

Memorial are you very young? The great majority of people have voted in many elections, for many different parties over the years. So most people have been on both sides, and probably will be again in the future. There's no split, just people of all political persuasions getting on with their lives, glad that at last the country can move forward out of the stalemate that's persisted for the last 3+ years.
Unless you count being in one's 40s as very young, no I am not very young. I've voted in every local, national and European election since the early 90s, and personally I have voted for different parties over the years. However, I have plenty of family and friends who only ever vote for one party. For example, my dad has always voted Conservative because his dad always voted Conservative.

And as for there being no spilt, you should try visiting my workplace - there are labour voters talking about Conservative voters in unpleasant terms and accusing them of ruining the NHS, there are conservative voters gloating and laughing at labour voters who expressed disappointment at the result. Many people are making no effort to even try to understand why the other side voted the way they did. I am under no illusion that things would have been any different had Labour won or had there been a hung parliament, the gloating and the insults would have just come from the opposite sides.

Memorial, PP was referring to the regular posters on these long running threads in the bit you quoted, not to the country in general 🍷
We're a mix of political colours who have mostly coalesced around a common cause in Brexit, although we've regulars who voted Remain in the ref too - all are welcome here (providing they're not goady twats obvs!)

Wrt the country at large, you're right - there's definitely pockets of nastiness & disagreement, but I've found that overall (away from social media & in real life interactions) people are generally pretty nice about things & to each other. They may disagree robustly, but the vitriol isn't typically there as it is online 🤷🏻‍♀️

It's childish I know, but Bercow tried so, so hard to frustrate brexit, and did so with such unashamed bias that I now can't stand the man.

I'm with you on Frank Field, MarySidney, and would add Kate Hoey and Gisela Stuart for good measure.

Dennis Skinner...he actually had a strong moral code and stuck to it, through thick and thin. Admire him for that.

Mr Lily informs me that Boris has given John Whittingdale the BBC brief. 😂

John Whittingdale holds the BBC in the same high regard as I do. I'm fairly sure the Director General of the Beeb could limbo under a snake's belly with a top hat on and still have room to spare.

Oh no, BoswellSolver, that's how he looks when Sally sends him to sit on the naughty step, not stand on it!

*So what’s your point then Memorial?

Are you saying that after 3 1/2 + years, of being called everything from scum to literal child murderers, that we don’t at least deserve the opportunity to defend ourselves? We have had goady posts in here FOREVER.*
My point is that I am utterly fed up of our divisive tribal political system. Although my post was on this thread it could equally have been on one of the post election threads where there were insults being thrown at conservative voters. I just happened to be reading this thread when I had time to respond.

At my workplace there are a couple of very keen labour voters and in past few weeks I have heard various comments from them about conservative voters along the liens of how can anyone vote tory, tories will destroy the NHS, tory voters hate the poor, tory voters are racists. I have tried to pull them up on it but I hate confrontation so probably haven't done a very good job. On Friday I overheard a conservative voter gloating to an upset Labour voter in very sarcastic and mocking tones. It feels like our winner takes all first past the post political system results in some people taking a side, blindly sticking with it and not listening to the other side. At times it feels like there are two sets of football supporters, who hate each other, and who are gloating or throwing insults depending on whether their team has won or lost. Personally i wish we had proportional representation and concensus government, rather than government usually being formed by a single party. I would hope then that people would see that actually there are aspects of all parties' policies that could benefit the country, that we don’t just have to have all the labour policies or all the conservatice policies.

And to answer your question, of course you deserve the opportunity to defend yourselves, just as the other side should have the opportunity to express disappointment and upset at the result. But the losers shouldn't be name calling and the winners shouldn't be gloating. I think this probably isn't the right thread for the point I am trying to make as it's more about political tribalism than brexit, so apologies for jumping into the thread.

Hi,
There’s an interesting article by Douglas Murray in the DM which denizens of this establishment might enjoy

The real chasm which has arisen is between a Conservative party that committed itself to fulfilling the will of the people, and two Left-wing parties which had devoted the past three-and-a-half years to subverting it

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7793275/DOUGLAS-MURRAY-Britains-divide-ugly-intolerant-Left-rest-us.html

Best bit was Dominic Grieve losing his seat!

Take that you smug twat! No one wants you!

Good points memorial it's just that mm has remain lean so nearly every thread has been dominated by rabid Remainers so this place was the only friendly area where leavers could gather and try and chat. At one point the arms shut because chat was drowned out.
More of a friendly banter place, than hard and fast tough debate.

But welcome!!

Lego I couldn't say whose seat I feel happier about being lost... There's just soooo many 😂😂😂😂😂.

PS memorial most posters here have voted Labour, are swing voters, were socialist even... And true blue tory and true red.

It's a wonderful eclectic mix

Putting the cork back in the Gauke was my top moment - esp since I know a fair few of his constituents - there's deluded by your own brilliance and then there's him.

Although my post was on this thread it could equally have been on one of the post election threads where there were insults being thrown at conservative voters. I just happened to be reading this thread when I had time to respond.

And yet I still can't find any posts on this thread in which Labour voters or otherwise were vilified or slagged off 🤷🏻‍♀️

I get what you're saying, but you're preaching to the choir here - we come from all over the political spectrum

There was one lone poster who appeared to be gloating about a 'Return to Empire!' but they were merely an anti-Brexit poster who decided to plop on the thread (for some reason known only to them) & who was trying desperately to goad & prod us for a reaction 🙄🤷🏻‍♀️

so apologies for jumping into the thread

Not at all!
You made good points about political tribalism - you're as welcome here as everyone else 🍷🍷

Memorial, I agree with you on your main point, as it happens.

This is a country where we settle our political differences at the ballot box, rather than taking to the streets, protesting, rioting, tear gas, bullets and so on. There are many countries in the world who would love to exercise their democratic rights in the way we have always done.

Please, though, try to understand. The landladies and regulars in the Brexit Arms have had nearly four years (pre- and post-referendum) of vitriol because they chose to exercise their democratic right. I am very late to these threads but have seen the bile poured out on numerous ones. It's understandable that Armers are a little touchy on the subject.

You have no previous posting history on this thread (to the best of my knowledge). Long experience shows that if someone pops up as you did, they are unlikely to come in peace. Most people come in, have a drink and a joke, offer a neutral comment or two and then start to develop their views (keeping to the pub rule). This is accepted by all. We have Leavers and Remainers as regulars on here, Conservative voters and Labour, even Green, SNP and floating.

I think I speak for all when I say we would love to get back to a situation where people's right to vote as they see fit is respected, even if others don't agree with it. Sadly, the divisions now are deep.

I myself joined the Arms because I posted a long explanation on another thread about the careful research I had done, the critical thinking I had applied, and the reasons why I voted Leave. And of course, I was inevitably dismissed as a thick, racist, xenophobic knuckle-dragger with "an NHS face" (whatever that means).

By all means stay, have a drink, join in, but let us get to know you a bit first so that we can stop being on red alert.

“And to answer your question, of course you deserve the opportunity to defend yourselves, just as the other side should have the opportunity to express disappointment and upset at the result. But the losers shouldn't be name calling and the winners shouldn't be gloating. I think this probably isn't the right thread for the point I am trying to make as it's more about political tribalism than brexit, so apologies for jumping into the thread.”

No, you are of course entirely welcome here, as long as you don’t attempt hold us to a higher standard than those who have come in here for years, gloating that brexit hadn’t happened yet, and that parliament had yet again fucked us over, calling us vile, demanding answers to ‘genuine questions’ (then promptly dissapear anyway when they get them), tell us why they think we voted when they have zero clue, throw out awful (bordering on racist) remain cliches like blue passports and more brown people, call us cunts, call us bigots, tell us that old people will die soon, so they had no right to vote etc...

What people at your work are doing, I cannot account for, I just know, that in here, it seems people can just pop up, goad away to their hearts content, then the minute we get fed up and respond or stop taking it anymore, we are cast as the bad guys, to tie in to the yawn fest narrative about leavers and tory voters. A step down from this behaviour type, is the other one, where we are treated like animals in a zoo, that need to be observed in our behaviours and understood, as if in someway our ‘language’ can be learned and we can be effectively trained to perform henceforth.

So. If celebrating on our own thread is gloating? Then I make no apologies. Personally I think we can do whatever we like on our own long running thread, but there you go.

“And of course, I was inevitably dismissed as a thick, racist, xenophobic knuckle-dragger with "an NHS face" (whatever that means).”

Hahaha! I forgot about NHS face... seems like a millennia ago now doesn’t it? But It was probably only a few months back! 😂

Of the names in the frame my top pick is probably Lisa Nandy (even if I do think she vacillates too much - kinda the nature of successful politicking hence Boris the finesser).

This is her first thoughts.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/14/if-we-can-take-the-right-lessons-from-defeat-we-can-give-people-reason-to-vote-labour-again

"We have to turn away from a politics that is reductionist and binary and that can only push so many people further apart. To be in government is not to pick a side but to build a bridge and demonstrate what can unite. The job of the Labour leader now must be to reconcile urgently those parts of the country that want and need a Labour government, but have come adrift."

2 pieces of advice for Labour following on from this:

1. Get on board the Brexit Bus - help with the steering and stop standing on the footplate dragging the soles out your shoes
2. Offer to work cross party on social care using Andy B blueprint and endorse enshrining NHS in legislation
3. Offer input and cross party approach into consultation on reforming student loan settlement
4. Get Andy B front and centre on rejuvenating The North ASAP

Do all that and they would already be halfway to rebuilding trust imho.

The other half are challenges for both Labour and Tories:
a) sorting out Universal Credit and the social safety net
b) sorting housing

Sorry MN needs an edit button - thought of rather more than 2.

I spent a large part of yesterday reading a whole myriad of online news articles/papers (didn't have much on yesterday😉) and I thought particularly this piece by Richard Littlejohn who, whilst not everyone's cup of tea, pretty much nailed it for me and I found myself nodding in agreement at every paragraph.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7790961/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-wanted-Peoples-Vote-got-one.html

Agree @RaiseaGlasstoFreedom so many joyful moments.

So happy to stumble upon this thread - lovely and funny version of all the conversations I've been having with friends and family since Thursday night.

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

Bovary, that article by Douglas Murray absolutely nails it.

If the election does one thing, if Boris picks up the ball and runs with it just as he promised, this country will pivot back to the direction clearly labelled "common sense".

Yes @time4chocolate that Littlejohn piece was excellent, as was this by Allison Pearson in the Telegraph:

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/boriss-win-proves-soul-nation-tact-proud-country-has-done/

annoyingly you need a subscription to read it but it was p1-2 of yesterday's Telegraph if anyone still has it. Fabulous writing and well worth asking about for if any of your friends get the Tele and you don't.

The trust has gone for Labour. So many lies.

How good stragety but they need a good purge first. Maybe some struggle sessions. I'm sure they are well versed on what to do from the people they identify with.

Hi again Lego! 👋 🙌🍷