Westministenders: Election Special 2

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Exit poll

Con majority of 68.

65 seats regarded technically as still too close to call. But that could mean an even bigger majority.

Blyth Valley has seen a 10% swing to the cons in line with the exit poll. 1st shock of the night

I think there also urgently needs to be an analysis of places where Labour hung on and even increased vote share : Rosie Duffield in Canterbury , for example. For all the chit chat, Tyneside is still predominantly Labour. Liverpool and much of the working class milltown area is. York Central and Cambridge : student vote is clearly a big thing I some of those, but not all.

A tiny gain percentage wise for the Tories. Despite the number of MPs they gained, most people did not vote for them, or the Brexit party.

Kitten yes that vote share graphic is quite extraordinary.
It's very much a labour loss.
What were the factors - neutral stance on Brexit, unpopular leader, metropolitan skew, not trusted in economic, media bias??

I wonder how much patience the North will have with the Tories,
how many years the Tories will be given to transform things, before they are also rejected angrily

hopeful’s bar chart sums up the iniquities of FPTP very clearly. How can anyone look at that and call it a mandate for government? I have truly never been able to understand why our electoral system is seen as democratic.

I am delighted that Mohammed Yasin clung on in Bedford and thrilled that Daisy Cooper emphatically seized St Albans from Anne Main.

Silver Linings.

Interesting BBC reporting which says that Yasin's majority was reduced and then mentions the Tory runner up. They neglect to mention that the vote share for the Conservatives actually fell more than for Labour. The Lib Dems vote share rose.

Well done oubliette, if you are reading.

That's 43.6% of the votes cast. Not even 43.6% of the registered electorate still less 43.6% of the population. That's the game. Trump won the electoral college. That's the game. Don't come to a football match with a tennis raquet and complain.

It's a large majority - personally I class a landslide as 100+

PMSL

Even after a huge defeat it’s still not sinking in on here is it?

The Tories won because the opposition were abysmal.

Those who allowed that to happen need to accept their part in this.

It'll be a different kind of stress. Perhaps not for you, but for many families that are just about managing.

Yes you would think so but if I understand correctly it's the JAMs who have voted for this?

Ok so if we want a dog eat dog world then my DC won't be eaten.

Not mine, it is the BBC's.

Those lost votes are mostly to the LDems & Greens, strongly Remain parties

Labour U-turning to support a hard Brexit would likely lose yet more votes
Would they even regain the lost Leave votes ?

It's not easy to decide on Brexit policy

First cat pic of the day. Not ours but the lovely neighbour's cat who decided to sit outside my window whilst I was drinking a much needed coffee

BCF even if you are right - where do they go next time.

I can't see the Labour party being in a position to win an election in 4 1/2 years time.

It's a spent force. It's not managed to recover in Scotland. Like many things, England follows Scotland a few years later.

I consider myself centre left. I will probably never vote Labour again not if they stay as hard left as they are. I did it this time, but never again.

If the ones who would benefit from socialism don't want it then I ain't voting for it.

What were the factors - neutral stance on Brexit, unpopular leader, metropolitan skew, not trusted in economic, media bias??

I think that’s a fair summary.

There are many centre left remainers who could not vote Labour. So Brexit wasn’t the push.

bear Your technique of haranguing people and demanding they debase themselves in abject shame has never worked yet

I don't disagree the oposition were appalling and stuck in echo chambers.
But it does n't make it true that the majority of the electorate voted for this.

It's a spent force. It's not managed to recover in Scotland. Like many things, England follows Scotland a few years later.

Labour will recover, I don’t doubt that - but it takes time.

What will help will be the disillusioned Brexiters who will turn against the Tories when the unicorns don’t appear.

oybbk any chance you can remember which BBC page that chart came from?! Interesting.

It was a Labour loss.

What's the alternative though random? If you aren't in Scotland or Wales, the LibDems don't seem to be a viable centrist alternative, except in a few seats like Goldsmith's. And the Lab and LDs buggered up Kensington between them.

I don't have this dilemma as I am left wing but can see why the centre feels so homeless.

I don't disagree the oposition were appalling and stuck in echo chambers. But it does n't make it true that the majority of the electorate voted for this.

No, and insofar as it does - this victory is similar to the German 1933 referendum to leave the League of Nations. Alongside coercion and violence were 1000s of enthusiastic Germans all voting for an agenda they had no idea of, with consequences they never dreamed of.

I voted Labour in a Lab/Con marginal -hoping for a hung parliment and a peoples's vote. But even I thought "come on really ?" about some of the policies.
I came out on the seven tribes thing as "hard left" so god only knows what those to the eight of me politically (eg nearly everyone else) thought.

The labour manifesto was self indulgent. They lost votes on the (remain) right as well as tbe leave left of the party. A mess.