Brexit Arms: Election Night Lock-In

[GreenishMe]

Welcome to the Brexit Arms - it's going to be a stormy old night! We're about to be buffeted from right to left and back again with no real idea what the landscape will finally look like in the morning. All are welcome to weather the storm in the warmth and safety of the Arms - but please remember this a hospitable establishment so let's try and keep it that way.

We're kicking off the evening with our Back to the 70's theme night while we wait for the big main event to unfold. The juke box is loaded with all your 70's favourites. Feel free to dance round your handbags but please, no dancing on the tables…. this could be seen as having too much fun.

As always, we've got a nice big pot of PG Tips on the brew and Camp coffee by the mugfuls in addition to our usual alcoholic beverages.

On a serious note, we know that tonight's events are going to cause some upsets. With this in mind, the mint imperial bowls on the bar have been filled with Diocalms and we urge all our customers to make use of these. There should be enough to go round as long as nobody starts trying to stockpile. We simply cannot risk the need for plumbers to unblock our loos on Friday morning, as they could have been called out on strike by then.

Landladies on duty tonight will be:

20:00-22:00 Greenish (with Babychams, Cherry B's and vol au vents)
2200-midnight Twattage (with Classic Dmitris and cheeseboard)
Midnight-0200 Singing (with stiff brandies to calm the nerves, plus a selection of fresh nuts)
0200-0400 Hate (possibly with Albanian delicacies and a hangover cure)

We'd like to get the glitter ball turning with this absolute classic:

….fingers crossed similar scenes will abound in the Arms by the end of tonight. Enjoy!

P.s. When ordering drinks between 8pm and 10pm please supply your own drinks emojis. Thankyou!

I heard David Miliband was considering a comeback.

David Milliband isn't an MP. The party leader had to be an MP.

I'm sure a by-election could be arranged for the "right" brother bellini

I'm going to go against the grain here. This is purely my opinion but based on experience in turning round failed departments where toxic culture has become embedded.

Labour needs a Change Manager - in essence, someone senior enough and with enough gravitas to take on the monumental task ahead: to drain all of the poison in the body politic. This would mean stripping out all of the toxicity in the party - expelling the anti-Semites, the misogynists, the racists, the TRAs, the terrorist sympathisers, the Marxists, all the identity politics nonsense - and going back to first principles. This would mean losing a sizeable chunk of the current membership including all of Momentum. It would also mean withdrawing the whip from those who espoused any of the above - Jezza, John McDonnell, et al - and reducing the parliamentary party to those in line with the new ethos. At that stage, the new Labour Party would be in a healthy position to set its new. manifesto, its new direction, and attract decent new members.

Here's the rub. It would be tough and bloody. The Change Manager must be sufficiently senior to have a national profile and a solid reputation but mustn't have any remaining leadership ambitions of their own. That's because they'd be wrestling with crocodiles all of the time and would be scarred by the experience. However, if they succeeded in cleaning up the party, they could hand it over in good order to a fresh leader who could then take it to the country with clean hands.

I heard David Miliband was considering a comeback.

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God no!

I agree Lily. Will definitely take more than one Leader. Re engineering by-elections JC / DA / ET / JMD all old enough to retire gracefully and with supersafe seats. Beyond that they need some sort of amnesty to stay a broad inclusive party and allow the "young and inexperienced" to pivot. TB won with JC / DA and JMD etc etc on the back benches keeping the Left onside. Red Ken even helped leven Mandelson toxicity in London. That said Blair was surrounded by a lot of high profile Scots who are missing from the pitch.

Perhaps Stephen Kinnock is the answer?

Here's the rub. It would be tough and bloody. The Change Manager must be sufficiently senior to have a national profile and a solid reputation but mustn't have any remaining leadership ambitions of their own.

Someone mentioned earlier on this thread I think who would be perfect for this:
Alan Johnson

I know he's not an MP, but he could do it as a special appointment couldn't he?? Not necessarily as leader sort of thing

Stephen Kinnock would be a good interim Leader for the purge

Xpost re Stephen Kinnock!!

Alan Johnson would be perfect.

So too would be Stephen Kinnock, for two reasons. He's Labour royalty, rather like Hilary Benn, so he has the gravitas. And the second reason is that his father Neil Kinnock knows a thing or two on how to go about it. He was the one who successfully expelled Militant Tendency. People who deride Kinnock Sr forget that.

Great minds Dusty

Lol Howabout 😂

Stephen Kinnock also has a very politically canny wife to help him out as well...!

This made me laugh.

I like singinglily approach, and totally agree about Alan Johnson.

Above all, this country needs a strong opposition to hold the government to account, and that is what has been missing for too long.

Although 'my side' lost - ie I would prefer to remain - all I can hope for now is that the new govt negotiates a Brexit which does not shoot us all in the foot, and does not make those most in need suffer more. So I hope the strong mandate means the ERG can be put back in their boxes and the lids sealed with duct tape.

There needs to be a like button on here...!

Love the pic Mummmy 😍

Hold government to account but not too argue or hate the torys just for the sake of it.

They should come together on NHS etc.

Sorry to go on but on stool dazed.

It's just been such a long trudge to get here. Everything felt so fragile and painfully slow. Everything was creaking to a stop.

All the comments across the the board, the vitriol, and then the Boris comments, he wasn't elected etc. The '' people '' don't want this, give the people a vote.
'' every leaver I've known has changed their mind ''

And Farage Jarrow march with 5 people!!

I read a great comment on twitter earlier... Something like..

'' feel sorry for all the media outlets giving us results they don't agree with and that pains them ''

It's been awful, media black out, twisting truth, suppressing what people think and want!!

I feel like such a weight has been lifted!

🕊 Yolo

I think now that Remain is completely off the table is a good thing - the fight was had, and now people can look forward & start actively taking part in shaping Brexit

There will still be a movement to rejoin I'm sure, which is fine & fair & totally part of a democracy - but that will only be a minority movement now I think

I'm also hoping that the size of majority means that BJ is no longer hamstrung by the ERG & that he uses the extension if needs be (he can spin this politically quite easily).
What is different now is that every bill won't be at risk of hijack by wrecking amendments, and any extension wouldn't be shrouded in suspicion & distrust (obvs I'm only ok with extension if it's to finalise stuff & through necessity, not as a play to drag things out)

The big sticking point for me is that we absolutely need to be out of the CU, so that we are free to make our own trade deals.
Free movement I'm lukewarm on - I'd much rather that immigration is controlled & is a level playing field across the board, but it wouldn't be a hill I died on.

Was good to see BJ make a trip up to his newest constituencies today as well - I've got a really good feeling about the future now, which I definitely didn't 2 months ago....

Boris is not a No Dealer. He would prefer a deal. However, he is fully prepared to threaten No Deal and walk away if the EU don't sit up and take him seriously.

I've tried to present the following argument on another thread but not with any success. The Conservative Party - like the Labour Party - is a broad church. It is perfectly possible to be a Labour member without signing up to Momentum. It's perfectly possible to be a Future Britain Labour MP (the group of moderates set up by Tom Watson) and not be a hardline Corbynista MP.

In the same way, Conservative MPs can be One Nation Tories and therefore on the left of the Party (like former MP Kenneth Clarke) or they can be Thatcherite Tories on the right (like JRM and John Redwood).

Boris is a One Nation Tory. People forget that too.

The ERG will fall in line because they are pragmatists. Boris's deal - far from their perfect deal because Theresa May had already fatally compromised the pitch - is still just Brexity enough to keep them on board.

The House of Commons will be a vastly different place this time around. Conservative discipline, at Cabinet level and on the backbenches will finally be restored. The Tories will not be arguing with each other. Labour will be too busy falling out with themselves to argue with the Conservatives. And presiding over the whole thing will be Sir Lindsay Hoyle. A proper Speaker, keeping the peace and making room only for reasoned and respectful debate.

Change is on its way.

Change is on its way.

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By the way - I've a shiny new pic lined up for the new thread ✊

I don't mind being the OP if there's no other takers, but be warned I am a SHIT thread host 😳😂

Yy dusty, as you say that fear and suspicion has gone!

And Farage will obviously be able to create any new party and get support with tremendous speed if the worst happened and brexit started to fail. However I feel that's very worse case and now highly unlikely scenario.

We've sent a clear message to Brussels and Boris can play hard ball. As much as loathe trump, it doesn't hurt to have his vocal backing... It's far better than Obama crap back of queues . It may not come off and he may be tossed out anyway... BUT for now it's all good!

It's definitely sent shivers through the eu.

The questions now are, who will follow us out!!

“ The Tories will not be arguing with each other.”

Ooh I dunno. The day politicians stop arguing with themselves...there may be brief outbreaks of peace but not sure I expect more than that.

Oh yes, a proper speaker!

I almost forgot, there was talk of investigation into bercow and his stop brexit sticker and everything else. I hope he's not allowed to slither away and make a fortune on speaking circuit. I sincerely hope his conduct is robustly investigated.

What a fight! What a struggle!

The irony that joker Boris (who still may turn out to be crap of course) was a silly joke... Who has now got this stomping victory!

The sweet irony...

Hands up, all those in favour of Dusty being the new Landlady?

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Yy to Boris going back to those labour heartlands. Let's hope he doesn't forget them, also sweet irony that it was Blairs old seat.

Not heard a squeak out of him!!

🤚 yes, fine by me, if you want to do it, Dusty. I’d offer but am New ish n shit.