Brexit Arms: Election Night Lock-In

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Welcome to the Brexit Arms - it's going to be a stormy old night! We're about to be buffeted from right to left and back again with no real idea what the landscape will finally look like in the morning. All are welcome to weather the storm in the warmth and safety of the Arms - but please remember this a hospitable establishment so let's try and keep it that way.

We're kicking off the evening with our Back to the 70's theme night while we wait for the big main event to unfold. The juke box is loaded with all your 70's favourites. Feel free to dance round your handbags but please, no dancing on the tables…. this could be seen as having too much fun.

As always, we've got a nice big pot of PG Tips on the brew and Camp coffee by the mugfuls in addition to our usual alcoholic beverages.

On a serious note, we know that tonight's events are going to cause some upsets. With this in mind, the mint imperial bowls on the bar have been filled with Diocalms and we urge all our customers to make use of these. There should be enough to go round as long as nobody starts trying to stockpile. We simply cannot risk the need for plumbers to unblock our loos on Friday morning, as they could have been called out on strike by then.

Landladies on duty tonight will be:

20:00-22:00 Greenish (with Babychams, Cherry B's and vol au vents)
2200-midnight Twattage (with Classic Dmitris and cheeseboard)
Midnight-0200 Singing (with stiff brandies to calm the nerves, plus a selection of fresh nuts)
0200-0400 Hate (possibly with Albanian delicacies and a hangover cure)

We'd like to get the glitter ball turning with this absolute classic:

….fingers crossed similar scenes will abound in the Arms by the end of tonight. Enjoy!

P.s. When ordering drinks between 8pm and 10pm please supply your own drinks emojis. Thankyou!

I never liked Momentum or Corbyn, but am still feeling bad that a lot of people are depressed and that chanting 'Boris! Boris! Boris! Out! Out! Out!' won't actually accomplish anything. If I was in Dublin I would go to the March for Peace though.

Just a reminder, though, fellow Armers.

We will leave the EU legally on 31 January 2020 - regardless of what Gina Miller does - but we enter a transition period that at present ends on 31 December 2020. Only then will we be able to say we have truly left, in law and in reality. Still lots to debate until then.

For some, the war is over. There are still plenty Hiroo Onoda types about. The papers are reporting today that the People's Vote campaign has finally decided to fold. The director of communications, Tom Baldwin, said with sadness, "I don't think there is much chance of the public having a final say".

Tom, chuck, we had the final say on Thursday, 12 December 2019. It truly was the People's Vote.

Morning, MamaMary - ☕️ for you. Your post nails it, 100%!

As always, here is today's Telegraph cartoon.

The peoples vote!!

Because it wasn't actually proper people who voted in 2016
And again it wasn't proper people who just voted 🤔🤔🙄🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The people's vote!!

How many ‘peoples votes’ do they want?
Jesus Christ accept it.

Morning all.
Also delighted and utterly, massively relieved that democracy triumphed, proud of the country. That was my issue way more than Brexit/not Brexit.
And glad that Labour as a campaign was totally outsmarted because even more than the ideology, I was very worried that we would be led by a party lacking any intellectual firepower.
Wondering what Dimitri's going to do next.
Disappointed in Varoufakis because he's the only bright spot in the dim world of marxism. His criticisms of the way the Commission operates resonated with me (although he is pro-Europe overall).
Not seen what Gina Miller is up to but she really needs to pipe down now.
Have a happy Saturday everyone.

I don't think there is much chance of the public having a final say

Which of course translates to:
‘we haven’t been able to overturn the will of the working class scum, no matter how hard we tried

Pesky working class, not doing what they’re told

I don’t think the Arms should close, either. It’s a very even tempered and non partisan space on here, one that I avoided for quite some time as I had the wrong idea about it (sorry!).
Plus, no one closes The King’s Arms or The Queen’s Head because that particular mo arch is long gone

Sorry, I’m not really political enough to be in here am I.

Give over, AutumnRose, I enjoy reading your posts.

1997 was an exciting time. Even I voted Labour in 1997 because I voted for hope and change. John Bloody Major's tired offerings and his frankly patronising "Back to Basics" strategy (and more than patronising - downright hypocritical when you consider what he and Edwina were up to at the time) completely cheesed me off. So I defected.

That excitement had never been repeated - until Thursday. Change is coming, big change.

And here's something for the passing trade and occasional flasher to consider. Labour are trying to blame their decimation on Brexit when, as Dusty illustrates and MamaMary articulates, Jezza is a massive part of the problem. Navel-gaze all you want. Choose Emily Thornberry or Rebecca Wrong-Daily or Keir Starmer or Jess Phillips if you want. What you really need a complete rethink, top to bottom. You do realise that if Boris Johnson serves a full five years, and he surely will, it will have been more than fifty years since any Labour leader not called Tony Blair actually won an election?

The director of communications, Tom Baldwin, said with sadness, "I don't think there is much chance of the public having a final say".

What??

The people voted in 2016. The people voted again in 2019.

Does he seriously think another vote would deliver the 'correct' (in his eyes) result?

Interesting comments from macron as well.... If they are true they are quite astonishing... What a turn around.

What has he said?!

Rumours on twitter jess Philips or Emily thornberry want to stand as leader

From the frying pan into the shitter 🙄🙄

Feeling elated that democracy has triumphed.

🙌🙌🍷🥳

👋 to all new faces!

Lol at today's cartoon 😂😂

Why did Gina Miller not stand for election if she is passionate about changing things?

She is a wealthy business woman with a high profile, surely a perfect position from which to move into politics, which she is clearly so passionate about?

I'll tell you. No. 1. She knows there's a snowball's chance in hell that she'd be elected. No 2. She couldn't give a toss about whether her politics have a mandate. She's far more important than 'the common people' and way above them in her own estimation. She thinks her moral superiority, her connections, her money, her ability to use the courts to get her way, all trump the democratic will of the nation.

Attitudes like hers are dangerous. The assumption that a handful of judges can and should overturn decisions that have been made democratically is dangerous. And it's one to be very wary of in the months ahead.

Morning all Another vote to keep The Arms even though I have been delinquent of late - fell foul of my 10pm internet cut-off on Election Night and too cream crackered to do more than get through the day yesterday

Couple of thoughts.
Gina Miller has no traction to put Parliament against Govt via the Courts now due to the solid majority. If she did she risks politicising the judiciary and triggering p48 - I don't see her, her backers or the courts being keen to risk having judicial powers reduced just as we Take Back Control.

Labour are in real trouble. The Tories won the majority in Leave areas. Their vote share went down 3% in Remainia. Once we hit 31 Jan Remainia will be instantly 3% Bluer but I don't think the reverse in true in Leave Heartlands.

3% vote bleed due to Remain applies in Scotland. Therefore 7 Scottish seats already up for grabs to go back Tory. (I got my East Ren prediction wrong because I underestimated the tactical Tory Remain vote).

On Indyref2 I don't see how we can have one before the Scottish Elections, although I could see Boris agreeing to it subject to the SNP winning a majority in Holyrood in 2021.

Anything to stop no deal? I support. Anything to stop Brexit? No. More people voted Leave and Parliament triggered Article 50.
I'm as fed up of people trying to stop Brexit as I am of people lobbying for a No Deal Brexit.

Pesky working class, not doing what they’re told

In a nutshell...

Sorry, I’m not really political enough to be in here am I

Merely just having an opinion on something is political in & of itself 😊

I like seeing all different viewpoints on stuff - I especially like this place because although we've coalesced around a common cause (democracy being respected rather than just pro-Brexit) - there's the full spectrum of political colours amongst our regulars

We were Blue for Brexit this time but we're not all natural Tories by any stretch

I would be sad if the pub closed down. I’d agree it’s not over till it’s over but frankly I’m also worried that something or someone will find a way to wreck it.

The “people’s vote” thing annoys me too. I wasn’t aware that it was hamsters voting the first time.

Mum and I have talked about handling racist remarks in the coming days. She’s pissed off that she has to deal with all this again - and blames the left for expecting minorities to behave a certain way - but she’s encouraging me to take the “engage” tactic and to say to people that my parents came under a controlled system, to fill a skills shortage, and they were thrilled to come here and happy to integrate.

Her area is a lot nicer than mine though. So not sure.

Dusty “ We were Blue for Brexit this time but we're not all natural Tories by any stretch”

No, not at all. That said, I never felt a strong attachment to any party.

Re Varoufakis, I didn’t think he was the type to throw “little Englander” out as an insult.

Gina Miller is what we used to call "a nine-mile sniper" in my line of work. Perched up, out of public sight, taking aim from a personally safe distance.

Boris told Nicola on Friday evening to take her IndyRef2 and stick it where the sun don't shine. Actually, he probably used a more elegant phrase than that but the meaning was just the same.

Boris has never been a No-Dealer. Let's see what he demands (my bet is it will be a lot more ambitious than Cautious Theresa would have pleaded for) and let's see how the EU responds (my bet is now that the political reality is well and truly settled, economic reality will take over).

I never felt a strong attachment to any party

I am a proper political tart Autumn
I'll go with any party that is attractive to me - not fussed about which one it is

Morning howabout!

Got messages off my mum & dad yesterday (they're in NZ at the mo) - mum was more wordy, but dad just sent a picture of a piece of toast with 'Stephen Gethins' underneath

They're very happy! 😂

I'm very seldom Blue at all. Ironically last time was 1997 to prevent Devolution and keep the recognition of couples in the tax system.

This time I went Blue for Brexit and to keep recognition of couples in the tax system among other things.

The BBC finally got round to reading the Tory Manifesto today. How many people bleating about low wages know:

1. they are proposing to reduce the age for minimum wage from 25 to 21
2. they are proposing to increase the minimum wage beyond the £10 Labour promised.
3. the NI threshold increase will be almost immediate and more to follow, which Labour were not proposing.

Sorry (know I'm singing to the choir) makes me cross that journalists could and should have pointed all this and much much more during the campaign. There was absolutely no journalistic rigour because it was all non-debates, gotcha interviews and spin. Independent analysis used to happen pre 2010.

After more than 10 years of austerity, people voted Tory. Including millions of working class people.

That suggest a few things to me (just musing here) :

• People value democracy so much that they put the national interest first
• People are angry when their votes are not respected and will vote the same way again even when they are relentlessly abused and hectored for 3 years for voting 'the wrong way'
• Labour are un-electable and their leaders are hated and feared
• British people are smart, not stupid.