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Westminstenders: The Undecideds

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RedToothBrush · 09/12/2019 19:55

Apparently the pollsters are nervous.

There are far more undecided than there have been at this stage in recent general election.

This makes it a hugely fine line between a hung parliament and a massive tory majority.

The weather on Thursday isn't expected to be nice and this could affect turnout. The blue corner are particularly nervous about this, but don't forget those postal votes.

Whatever happens on Thursday at least this election campaign is nearly over. And that can't be a bad thing.

And Christmas is in a fortnight so we can all drown our sorrows or celebrate in style.

You always have time to restock the drinks if you end up resort to them on Thursday

(New election special thread on Thursday rather than bunging up Westminstenders BTW)

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TreesSandSea · 11/12/2019 23:44

I’ve offered to give anyone from my (v rural) village a lift to the polling station. We’re at Ives constituency so Tory but could be swung to Lib Dem if Green and Labour victors vote Lib Dem. I’m holding my nose and voting LD despite JS not knowing what a woman is Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 11/12/2019 23:46

Keir Starmer video:

I hope he's the next Labour leader:
brains, energy, clean character, actually held an important job before politcs

https://mobile.twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1204515786179719170

"This is such an important generational election .....

we are at a fork in the road"

BigChocFrenzy · 11/12/2019 23:51

John Bull**@garius

It is election season. The world is busy and rubbish.

But it is also Christmas.

So take a breather and let me tell you a story about London, trains, love and loss, and how small acts of kindness matter.

I'm going to tell you about the voice at Embankment Tube station.
Just before Christmas 2012, staff at Embankment Tube station were approached by a woman who was very upset.

She kept asking them where the voice had gone. They weren't sure what she meant.

The Voice?

The voice, she said. The man who says 'Mind the Gap'
Don't worry, the staff at Embankment said. The announcement still happens, but they've all been updated. New digital system. New voices. More variety.

The staff asked her if she was okay.

"That voice," she explained, "was my husband."
The woman, a GP called Dr Margaret McCollum, explained that her husband was an actor called Oswald Laurence. Oswald had never become famous, but he HAD been the chap who had recorded all the Northern Line announcements back in the seventies.

And Oswald had died in 2007.
Oswald's death had left a hole in Margaret's heart.
But one thing had helped. Every day, on her way to work, she got to hear his voice.

Sometimes, when it hurt too much, she explained, she'd just sit on the platform at Embankment and listen to the announcements for a bit longer.
For five years, this had become her routine. She knew he wasn't really there but his voice - the memory of him - was.

To everyone else, it had just been another announcement. To HER it had been the ghost of the man she still loved.

And now even that had gone.
The staff at Embankment were apologetic, but the whole Underground had this new digital system, it just had to be done. They promised, though, that if the old recordings existed, they'd try and find a copy for her.

Margaret knew this was unlikely, but thanked them anyway.
In the New Year, Margaret McCollum sat on Embankment Station, on her way to work.

And over the speakers she heard a familiar voice. The voice of a man she had loved so much, and never thought she'd hear again.

"Mind the Gap" Said Oswald Laurence.
Because it turned out a LOT of people at Embankment, within London Underground, within @TfL and beyond had lost loved ones and wished they could hear them again.

And they'd all realised that with luck, just this once, for one person, they might be able to make that happen.
Archives were searched, old tapes found and restored. More people had worked to digitize them. Others had waded through the code of the announcement system to alter it while still more had sorted out the paperwork and got exemptions.

And together they made Oswald talk again.

And that is why today, even in 2019, if you go down to Embankment station in London, and sit on the northbound platform on Northern Line, you will here a COMPLETELY different voice say Mind the Gap to ANYWHERE else on the Underground.

It's Oswald.

Merry Christmas everyone.

TreesSandSea · 11/12/2019 23:54

What are we looking for on the Survation survey BCF?

TreesSandSea · 11/12/2019 23:55

Smile nice story

lonelyplanetmum · 11/12/2019 23:57

What are we looking for on the Survation survey BCF?

Any sign of hope

StraightenUpAndFryRight · 11/12/2019 23:57

Thanks for that BigChoc ❤️
Not very MN I know.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 11/12/2019 23:59

Key points

The Conservative party’s vote share is essentially unchanged but Labour is +5 over the past 2 weeks. Another notable movement is the Lib Dems being -4% vs last week’s polling
The Brexit Party appear to have been squeezed further among seats where they are standing
The Conservative lead over Labour has been narrowing, 14%, 11% and now 9% in this latest poll
As one key explanation for LAB improvement – Labour is now doing significantly better among those who voted remain in 2016 over the past 2 weeks
Is this still just the Brexit election? Brexit has declined somewhat at the top issue to be (-7) on the week among all respondents. but also -6 among CON voters and -10 among 2016 leave voters
Jeremy Corbyn’s very low “Best Prime Minister?” ratings have improved, to some extent again this week (breakdowns below). No change to Boris Johnson’s higher ratings.

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2019 00:00

Survation Final Call
GB VOTING INTENTION

CON 44.5
LAB 33.7
LD 9.3
GRE 3.2
SNP 4.0
PC 1.4
AP 0.9

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2019 00:07

Hope is good, but always give me facts.

The Survation poll is the last poll before the GE
Fieldwork was Tuesday - Wednesday and finished at 10pm this evening

Approximately 2500 people, so larger than most polls
incl 1000 sample in Scotland
400 in Wales

www.survation.com/final-general-election-2019-poll-results-a-preview/

"Our final general election poll is a repeat of the style provided in 2017"

Peregrina · 12/12/2019 00:07

I hope that the balance of the seats is Labour where they have the strongest chance of winning over the Tories and LibDem/SNP/PC where that doesn't look possible.

What I would personally like to see is Dominic Grieve get back in, Philip Lee defeat John Redwood and Johnson, Raab, Villiers, Goldsmith to lose their seats, plus my own MP Layla Moran get in with an increased majority.

If the Tories do win, they are in danger of destroying so much of what many of us hold dear in the country, that I think all the other parties will need to put their differences aside, with the intention of driving them out of politics altogether.

As for Brexit, it will be a Tory Brexit, which Johnson is almost certain to make a mess of. This is almost by definition, because it would have taken a very skilful politician to negotiate a Brexit that the majority of the country could live with, and Johnson has shown us how completely lacking in skill he is in high Office.

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2019 00:09

Sleep well. Tomorrow is going to be rough.

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HateIsNotGood · 12/12/2019 00:10

"Ndihet sikur jemi lojtarët e violinës në Titanic ndërsa zbriti".

So:

Koha për të marrë në varkën e shpëtimit më të afërt të ndyrë

Remember:

Mos notoni me Lily - ajo është një vrasëse me lagështi.

Shihemi nga ana tjetër.

CendrillonSings · 12/12/2019 00:12

Now that’s what I call a poll!

Hopefully the Tory lead will be even bigger in the real thing Smile

prettybird · 12/12/2019 00:14

In my dreams, BJ loses his seat Grin - it is, after all, only "Likely Conservative" in the YouGov MRP Poll and not "Safe Conservative" Wink

One can but hope! Halo

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2019 00:14

I don't see BXP there ?

Dusty01 · 12/12/2019 00:16

Such a lovely story BigChoc. Thank you.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2019 00:17

Homeless ex-soldier, 82, dies hours after being evicted from squat

Will people vote for more homeless deaths, or for more help for them ?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/homeless-ex-soldier-82-dies-6851677.amp?

lonelyplanetmum · 12/12/2019 00:20

" There are numerous common signs of narcissism." Here is the first ..

  1. You are a bad sport.

Joseph Burgo, Ph.D., a psychologist and the author of "The Narcissist You Know." says some narcissists are bullies - and one of their most troublesome traits is their tendency to be a sore loser and a sore winner.

For example, when they lose in a sports match, they might try to humiliate the referee. When they win, they might gloat excessively or act abusively to the losing party.

lonelyplanetmum · 12/12/2019 00:21

The psychology today post was just in case we get any gloating guests..

placemats · 12/12/2019 00:34

My belief is that come Friday the results will show that Labour voters voted Libdem to stop the Tories but the Libdems will not have reciprocate the action.

It will be a slim majority. For Johnson.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2019 00:34

Video of (maybe ! Wink) BJ in the election campaign ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/womble69/status/1204754812979601409

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2019 00:37

That Survation poll would give a Tory majority of about 90 seats, but with local effects / tactical voting I'd be unpleasantly surprised if it's that high
Seat predictions are too difficult this GE

JustAnotherPoster00 · 12/12/2019 00:41

That Survation poll would give a Tory majority of about 90 seats

Not sure how you got that BCF I thought we were into possible hung parliament territory under 10 points

They only had a 68 seat majority when the polls were at 14 points