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The Brexit Arms. Is this Ben Elton? Is it free mulled wine and mince pies for everyone or a Corb-free Christmas 🎄?

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SingingLily · 08/12/2019 17:23

Welcome to the Brexit Arms!

The temporary Landlady is back but worry not, all is festive good cheer with just another three days to go until we reach the Only Poll That Really Matters. Till then, the gloves are still on!

A quick recap of the events of the last week or so:

📋❓💙❤️💛⁉️💙‼️🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️😀☹️😀☹️😧😱🙄😬🤥🤔🤕🗳

Anyone of any political persuasion who is prepared to join in, eschew goadery, and enjoy a laugh, welcome. First drinks are on the house.

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SingingLily · 09/12/2019 13:33

So good you said it twice? Smile

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 13:33

Haha, well they’ve finally ditched that soundbite, and replaced it with...

“Not for sale! not for sale!”

SingingLily · 09/12/2019 13:33

Latest manifesto promise.

The Brexit Arms. Is this Ben Elton? Is it free mulled wine and mince pies for everyone or a Corb-free Christmas 🎄?
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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 13:34

“So good you said it twice? smile”

Delicious irony... 😂😂😂

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 13:34

Haha, love it!

BelleHathor · 09/12/2019 14:09

Ironically , from reading most of these threads a lot of the posters here have working class roots 🤔Read this Twitter thread to see how the "middle class" socialists react 👀👀
mobile.twitter.com/BrendanChilton/status/1203616023821398018
Brendan Chilton Esq.
@BrendanChilton
We’ve lost our working class because we’ve embraced a second referendum over leave. It’s because we’ve embraced woke over family, faith and flag. It’s because we’ve embraced welfarism over aspiration. Don’t blame the media. Look in the mirror first.
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LBC
@LBC
· Dec 7
In some polls, Labour are trailing the Tories in working class support. Dame Margaret Beckett thinks newspapers like the Daily Mail are to blame.

@mattfrei | #GE2019
l-bc.co/2quFe2O?amp=1
10:03 AM · Dec 8, 2019·Twitter

BelleHathor · 09/12/2019 14:12

Teddyboy - not a bot
@Teddybo43582369
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Dec 8
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@BrendanChilton
The Labour Party have long seen the working class as their pet - for a pat on the head and patronising when there is an election. They don’t seem to understand the patriotism, family values, aspiration for better for their children through hard work and their sense of fairness.

BelleHathor · 09/12/2019 14:14

m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=7FppMcrSnQA

SingingLily · 09/12/2019 14:17

That Twitter feed, Belle! 😱

They've absolutely nailed it. That's exactly who Labour should be going into battle for. Even I could support that fight.

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BelleHathor · 09/12/2019 14:28

That's exactly who Labour cynically abandoned and tried to gaslight with their remain vs remain shenanigans Lily so good luck to them 😂😂😂. Too late now cos #ClassicDmitri has courted their votes , I imagine internal polling at Labour HQ is quite shocking!

Milkywayfan · 09/12/2019 14:33

Aargh sorry autumnrose1 can’t find ajar token at the mo possibly because tech is not what I am best at. If I can I will buy the times today and then share by an attachment.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 14:52

the NHS under labour.

My birth story.

2000

  1. I had to stay in for 8 days, at a large very well known hospital in the south east, to be induced due to severe SPD and a bursitis on my hip, I had to stay in a private room at the request of the physio. (The room was filthy, the bins were not emptied and there was blood in the shower room (not mine))

  2. my labour was due to be induced within 24 hours of my arrival, but due to numbers it wasn’t done for 3 days. (I could have been at home during this period rather than bed blocking) but, I was very lucky to be there at all tbh, as the maternity ward kept getting closed around that time and did for several years after due to extreme capacity issues.

  3. during my induction, I met a woman who was in labour and suffering from pre-eclampsia, she kept telling them she was having contractions, but they dismissed her with braxton hicks, despite being on the induction ward, they didn’t believe her, she was increasingly poorly, and her husband kept trying to get the attention of the midwives, who dismissed their concerns and just laughed her off, due to being a first time mum. Not long later, she crashed into unconscious at 10 cm and almost went into full renal failure due to the pre eclampsia issues that they laughed off and ignored, She ended up having an emergency c-section, and her and the baby nearly died. She was left with long term kidney damage.

4)I was induced as planned, on the induction ward, later on, it wasn’t moving as quickly as they so I was given a painful sweep, without consent or warning, from a really unfriendly and abrupt male doctor.

  1. During my labour, An anesthetist, placed a canular in my arm for a saline drip. An hour or so later, my arm felt heavy and painful. It was swollen to three times it’s size, nobody had checked or noticed, that the canular had missed my vein and was pumping saline directly into my tissue and not my bloodstream. I later struggled to lift my daughter and had huge painful bruising all up my arm.

  2. After the birth, which had other issues to long to list, I was losing masses of blood and nearly passed out. Husband went to ask the midwife what to do, she said angrily “what do you want me to do about it?”.

Later, I was struggling with breast feeding and my daughter had lost 10% of her body weight, I had a very rude midwife who snapped at me to tell me off, for not paying attention or understanding, during the allotted 5 mins she gave me with a knitted boob, that I was shown, and was somehow supposed to make it clear. I wanted to give up, and they made me feel awful for failing my daughter. Thank god, later that evening, there was a new Caribbean temp midwife who saw the distress I was in, and sat with me, to support and help me for as long as it took to get the hang, I will be forever grateful to her. She was actually a private nurse, brought in to help with demand, she normally worked at the portland hospital apparently, and she was amazing.

Eventually, I got to go home, not before my husband had paid nearly £100 fir hospital parking that week.

Also 2000.
My 62 yr old grandma died in a different hospital, she had had a massive heart attack. In less than 24 hours, after that heart attack, she was placed onto a stroke recovery ward with zero monitoring, due to no space in critical care. She died sometime during the night from another massive heart attack, all alone, and wasn’t found or noticed by the nurses until the first ward duties the next morning.

  1. Her husband, my step grandfather, died a hideously painful death at home, from throat cancer, with not enough meds or nurse help to assist him in his final hours. My dad and other family had to spend two excruciating weeks fighting desperately for everything he needed and didn’t get.

My great aunt,

Fell and broke her hip. Should have been straightforward, she had an op to fix it. During her stay, she aquired a hospital super bug, she had to have her legs amputated below the hips, sadly, the stumps became gangrenous and she died a hideous death in hospital, smelling so bad, that it was almost impossible to enter the room.

My other grandmother 73 died of ovarian cancer that had been passed off as just back pain for two years. She kept being sent away with pain killers, by the time it was finally diagnosed and they tried to operate, her whole abdomen was basically 2/3rds tumour. She couldn’t be saved. She died a few days after the surgery.

In 2010 (still labour)

Her husband, my lovely 93 yr old grandad died, (he had cancer) having been shoved in a short stay emergency ward with pneumonia for 4 days. His wish had been to die with us at home, we tried to see a doctor during that whole time, we were not expecting a miracle diagnosis, just the opportunity to discuss his options for a dignified death and whether it were possible to achieve. They never came to speak with us, not one, the whole time. On the fifth day, at 5 am, we received a phonecall to tell us to come in to be with him. He was now unconscious and it was obviously too late now to discuss those options. We accepted the situation, he was moved (finally) to a private room. (We still didn’t ever see a doctor, just nurses). There were 5 of us, all close family members who wanted to be with him at the end (a couple who were elderly) There were only two chairs, I went to ask at the nurses station, if we could get a couple of extra chairs. They had a go at me, were really rude and said snappily that we were not allowed more than two visitors at a time, so we need to ask them to leave. I was very angry. It was a private room, out of the way and he was unconscious and dying ffs. He needed and wanted these people there, we had discussed it before he went in. It was awful.

Anyway. Is the NHS a mess? Yes. Is it a new thing? No, it fucking isn’t. I don’t agree with privatisation, but tbf, if it’s better than this? Then maybe it’s the right thing. I don’t know. One thing I do know, is our sentimentality towards it, is blinding us to the realities of the situation. It needs money, yes, of course it does, but if all that money just gets pissed up the wall, with no real plan or reform, then things are not going to improve at all. Would worked when it came inti existence and what works now, are two different things. Maybe it’s time we were all realistic about that. It’s all very well blaming the tories, but there are horror stories from way before them. It’s a huge problem. Using it as a political football helps no one. It should always stay free at the point of use, however, to achieve that, maybe an element of privatisation is necessary? It just seems like a bottomless pit at the moment, and I don’t know how ANY of the main parties can truly resolve that.

Sorry if this post is out of sync, it’s taken me ages to write!

SingingLily · 09/12/2019 14:54

A few years ago, Belle, I read an article about Dominic Cummings promising to show the Vote Leave team exactly where they could find three million votes. He took the team to working class areas where life expectancy was poor and hope was in scarce supply. They knocked on doors and were amazed to be greeted with warmth...because someone was finally asking them what they thought instead of ignoring them, patronising them and taking them for granted. Someone was finally listening to them. Listening properly. They were the forgotten voters, the ones Labour should have been speaking up for but never bothered with. The article was an eye-opener.

You are spot on. Dmitri knows who they are and the proud principles on which the decent but forgotten working class stand.

For the benefit of the passing trade, I will repeat what I said upthread. These are the people who will lend their votes to Boris, their precious votes. He'd better bloody not let them down.

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bellinisurge · 09/12/2019 14:57

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit , thank you for setting out your all too familiar history. I read it and it rang too many bells with me to ignore.
I just wanted to pop in and tell you that.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 14:58

Apols for the spelling/grammar issues, long post written on my phone... Blush

SingingLily · 09/12/2019 14:59

Dear God, Epic, I'm so sorry. That's heartbreaking, all of it. There are no words, no words. 💐

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 15:01

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit , thank you for setting out your all too familiar history. I read it and it rang too many bells with me to ignore.
I just wanted to pop in and tell you that.”

Thank you Bellini, that really means a lot xxx Flowers

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 15:03

“These are the people who will lend their votes to Boris, their precious votes. He'd better bloody not let them down.”

This!!!

lonelyplanetmum · 09/12/2019 15:05

Who has Boris Johnson not let down?

AutumnRose1 · 09/12/2019 15:06

@Milkywayfan. Don’t worry, I’ll find one when I’ve finished work Wink

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit. my experience of hospitals for me and rellies hasn’t changed much under any parties but one got put in special measures and improved after that.

I have voted Labour and Conservative in the past, I agree there’s a section of people that were just forgotten and I agree that they are often insulted with terms like “turkeys voting for Christmas” etc.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 15:15

I also forgot to mention, that for 3 of my 8 days in that private room, I was forgotten about and given no breakfast!!!

I was also forgotten about when the fire alarm went off, fire trucks were arriving outside and they had checked all the other wards 😬. (I was on crutches/bed rest. Thankfully for my daughter and I, it was a false alarm! 🤦🏻‍♀️

BelleHathor · 09/12/2019 15:18

Epic Flowers . Lily Boris and Dmitri better take care of those votes 🥊🥊.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 15:19

@EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit. my experience of hospitals for me and rellies hasn’t changed much under any parties but one got put in special measures and improved after that.”

This is the thing isn’t it, it’s not a one party issue, it needs to be a whole parliament issue I think, perhaps with a special cross party crisis committee to get on top of the problem.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 09/12/2019 15:22

Belle, that video is incredible. He is so right!

NarfZort · 09/12/2019 15:37

These are the people who will lend their votes to Boris, their precious votes. He'd better bloody not let them down.

Well they'll not be able to do much about it when if he does let them down will they? Vote them in under that manifesto and we've probably got them for a long time. #Page48

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