Westminsterenders: Talent or Colour

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RTB and BCF are presumably busy with more important things. I'm clearly not qualified to start a Westminsterenders thread - but somebody has to take control and collect the waifs and strays.

The party of no talent want to introduce no colour into our lives.

6 days to the election.

Johnson is still a liar.

Corbyn is still apparently loved by Labour members and hated by everyone else.

Swinson is still a charming PTA chair.

Found you all!
PMK (namedchanged for another thread)

Opinium still calling a 15% Tory lead (unchanged).

I guess that (a) we can't accuse pollsters of herding (tweaking their results so they all end up in the same ballpark) and (b) it seems likely that at least one polling organisation will be on the money.

I certainly did not mean to imply I blame farmers for climate change!
Bless you I didn't think you meant that. We farmers will have to make environmental changes in order to get subsidies but I think the general public swallow whole the idea that all farms are mega and industrial. We are a tiny sheep farm in the Borders. We are on the edge of a town and the greatest environmental danger is that I sell the land to build 'executive homes'.

For you, Ultimate.

what did you do to get blocked @Alsohuman?

Can’t remember, he obviously didn’t like something I said. Tom Watson also blocked me around the same time. Thanks for a link that works 😍

Happy Christmas my dear friends x

May 2020 be a kinder, happier year!

Cheers! Stinky Best wishes to all.

James
@seebsouq
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Dec 6
No way #Corbyn, you're not coming for my money. I'm a proud #ConservativeParty member who also has expenses and a life to lead, your type of approach would bleed me dry. You won't win anyway, so go away. #VoteConservative2019 #Tories #GTTO #Tories #GE2019

twitter.com/i/status/1203024456437895170

Yes, yes. Thank you to everyone.

I'll lead with my first instinct, follow up with the rest of the suggestions on NHS, social care etc, then hit him with the Jonathan Pie.

Tell the truth - it will set you free. Thank you.

Asda food bank volunteers horrified as someone donates bag full of human poo

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/asda-food-bank-volunteers-horrified-21044115?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

I know that my household will deliver 4 LD votes, in a seat where it's between LD and Tory. I know this, because I am a proxy for three of the others, plus my own vote.

I was pleased to see a Brexit party candidate stand - that should be good for a few Tory votes.

derxa 😁🎄🎁❤

I'm wondering if bridgen is rattled by the libertarian and indy candidates who are standing?

Labour candidate very strong too for a change...

Derxa
as a very long term New Scientist reader I find the hatred of livestock farmers utterly infuriating.
FFS you cannot grow Soya on the Scottish hills
and the ^carbon footprint of grass fed been and lamb
(especially once they are fed the 5% seaweed supplemrnt to reduce methane emissions by 2/3)
is comparable with soya grown where there used to be rainforest

My point about tree planting is that some areas would be better converted back to woodland and the animals kept on the richer land

but the Tory / Brexit policy will clear the uplands of livestock far faster than Monbiot's delusions

just
You'd be amazed the level of anger some people have towards foodbanks and very their existence.
I'm pretty much persona non grata with the parish council in my town...local foodbank use is not the sort of image they want to promote...
To date the worst I've gad is dirty looks and shakes of the head.

He's frit.

Boris Johnson cancels second campaign outing in less than 24 hours amid protests
The prime minister abandoned a walkabout in Lancashire today, after dozens of protesters took to the high street in the town of Westhoughton.
He had planned to meet voters in the marginal Bolton West constituency, taken by the Tories' Chris Green in 2015 who held off Labour's Julie Hilling by just 936 votes in 2017.
However, after the Tory battle bus arrived amid the presence of protesters a decision was made to abandon the visit.

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-protests-general-election-a4307586.html

Have lurked on these threads for ages, but decided to take the plunge and post. Not a great deal to add to what others have said, but just mystified by the number of reports of previous labour voters in the ‘heartlands’ saying they will vote Tory. Why? And why now? Especially as they tend to be older, and presumably voted Labour with other unpopular leaders. Noticed a lot of people say they’re ‘voting for Boris’ not Tory. Is it just Brexit?

I completely support derxa in her descriptions of many farmers being small family-run farms. And ListeningQuietly too realizing through her readings that not all landscapes can support crops better than livestock. And that the wildflower meadows do best by light grazing.

There are already environmentally positive subsidies in place to farmers, although like most agricultural subsidies these are stricken and paralysed by red tape and many layers of administration.

If a Tory government is returned next week, I hope that Gove goes back to his Ministerial position for Ag, Ev & RA, he seemed to be well suited to it and was coming up with some good environmentally positive ideas.

I completely support the idea that should Brexit economically affect the sheep farmers, then they receive a Direct Payment from the UK Govt equal to the price they would have received and the (meat-eating) UK public gets to consume some lovely UK Lamb real cheap. At least 30% of the Govt bought lamb should be distributed to Food Banks, Homeless Shelters, and any other place that needs it.

Who knows, Paws?

I think it's bonkers: they give the choice on Brexit to Johnon (Johnson, for heaven's sake) and get to enjoy austerity and the destruction of the NHS thrown in on top as a job lot.

I, personally, am not a gal who would shag Johnson, so quite why anyone would want to hand that amount of their self-determination to him baffles me.

With Labour, they get a vote on an actual Brexit - not a package of ill-concealed lies. And an end to austerity. And the NHS.

They can decide to just vote Leave, or peruse the details. Up to them.

I'd take the offer that includes the NHS.

But, then, I'm me.

So, in short, I just don't know.

I completely support the idea that should Brexit economically affect the sheep farmers, then they receive a Direct Payment from the UK Govt equal to the price they would have received and the (meat-eating) UK public gets to consume some lovely UK Lamb real cheap. At least 30% of the Govt bought lamb should be distributed to Food Banks, Homeless Shelters, and any other place that needs it.

And I completely support the idea that every woman who has spent the last 20 years cooking meals for a family should be given a private chef for a month as pay-back for being a Mother of the Nation.

It's about as likely as the above.

HateisnotGood
The crass complexity of the RPA is entirely down to the UK Govt, not the EU - the UK has regularly been fined by the EU for tying its farmers up in red tape

If there is a UK USA agricultural free trade deal, UK beef, pork and chicken farmers will all be put out of business by cheap feed lot meat
lamb will survive
oh but it won't because the EU tariff on lamb is huge
and most UK lamb meat is exported to the EU

so your pro Brexit platitudes will shaft derxa royally and utterly.

Nice

I'm going to have to disagree with you there a bit cat on the chef for the family cook (which btw is a bit sexist of you to assume that only women do this, or even worse, that even if you acknowledge that men also carry out this role, that they were somehow undeserving of the private chef too?) vs Direct Payment subsidy.

I'm happy to go into more detail if you wish, but it looks like you might tend to agree that it's a good plan, in principle?

twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1203358705988915201

Have people seen this? Is it Ben Elton? It's very good - better than the Jonathan Pie one.

ListeningQuietly do you have personal direct experience of being a UK sheep farmer, livestock farmer or being any sort of farmer? I think you may have missed a nuance or two in my post that you may not have picked up on. Basically:

Rather than exporting the lamb and paying tariffs, incurring costs and having an environmentally detrimental effect transporting and freezing it. Eat most of it here in the UK.

Southport, constituency voting intention: (from Owen Jones)

CON: 43% (+4)
LAB: 35% (+2)
LDEM: 22% (-4)

via @DeltapollUK, 02 - 06 Dec
Chgs. w/ GE2017

Should have added: if you vote Lib Dem in Southport, you are voting for Boris Johnson, Hard Brexit and the extreme Tory right.