Westminsterenders: Talent or Colour

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RTB and BCF are presumably busy with more important things. I'm clearly not qualified to start a Westminsterenders thread - but somebody has to take control and collect the waifs and strays.

The party of no talent want to introduce no colour into our lives.

6 days to the election.

Johnson is still a liar.

Corbyn is still apparently loved by Labour members and hated by everyone else.

Swinson is still a charming PTA chair.

It's so tedious to see the Labour disinformation machine in full flow. We are supposed to be better than this.

If poster and others spent a bit less time on here slagging off Swinson and a bit more time actually campaigning on the ground I'd have more respect.

Perfectly normal and healthy for small parties to seek to extract compromises from bigger parties seeking to form a government. But I can't see any reason to expect that the LDs will do any sort of formal deal with Johnson.

It's so tedious to see the Labour disinformation machine in full flow.

Which parts were disinformation? I try and make sure my posts are accurate could you a) point out where I was slagging her off and b) what part of my post was disinformation

If we want to talk disinformation how about we chat about the LibDem campaign literature

FFS
Stop bickering between Labour and Libdem and SNP and the rest
focus on the REAL issue

Watch that Jonathon Pie video and stop being so bloody tribal.

Australia is Burning
The Victoria Falls have run dry

I wouldn't say your posts were complimentary: Swinson keeps saying if she doesnt get a majority, she wants to secure a peoples vote, theres already a party offering that yet she wont countenance working with Labour under Corbyn,

In my seat, at the last election we overturned a 9500 Tory majority. Labour put up probably the best candidate they had had in 30 years and still only managed 7,000 votes. As I said, Corbyn has only just got off the fence on the People's vote issue.

Look at those maps that people have published - in some areas they have never had anything but a Tory MP. Especially now that the Tories have completely lurched to the right, this is what we have work with - we have to get moderate people to vote for the best alternative in their constituency.

I wouldn't say your posts were complimentary: Swinson keeps saying if she doesnt get a majority, she wants to secure a peoples vote, theres already a party offering that yet she wont countenance working with Labour under Corbyn

Complimentary or not I was stating a fact, was it inaccurate?

DP is taking the day off work to go to our nearby marginal and help get the labour vote out (i'm on a 12 hour shift orI'd join him). He's not even a labour party member. He has never done anything like this before, ever. This election is not like others. (Partly because of austerity - but also climate, the urgency of climate - we don't have another 5 years to ignore this!)

I am trying to take heart from this, Squid, and I’m seeing similar things in my marginal seat. For the first time ever I’ve volunteered to canvas. There are 3 sessions a day running and 20-40 people turn up each time. I’ve met volunteers who usually vote Green and Lib Dems, but who are supporting Labour this time (and are giving up time to canvas).

Very mixed on the doorstep - many people saying they are undecided or thinking of not voting at all. Quite a few former conservative voters saying they don’t know who to vote for as they hate Boris Johnson, but struggle to vote for Labour with Jeremy Corbyn in charge. A vote for Lib Dem or Green is a wasted vote here under FPTP and if even a quarter of those votes had gone to Labour in 2017 the seat would have flipped red. Current MRP has the rubbish Con incumbent winning the seat again. Depressing stuff.

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In 2019, in 5th richest country in the world, the Tory candidate for #Broxtowe suggests that people are poor because they can't budget and should bridge the gap with pay day loans

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Watch that Jonathon Pie video and stop being so bloody tribal.

Honestly this has to be the way forward, the far right won't care if you voted Labour or Lib Dem.
This grouping has us lumped together and will destroy us together.

Absolutely dreich - in your seat, which candidate is most likely to unseat the Johnson Tories. Be that Labour/LibDem/SNP/PC.

I don't know what you do if you have a moderate Tory standing - did any manage to win the re-selection?

Some advice please - how would you lot vote in an SNP/Labour marginal? There was very little in it in 2017 and I'm torn.

Maxnormal, I think you can follow your heart.

In a con/lab marginal here. Loads of labour canvasers out today, loads of red signs. We can only hope.

Max I'm in a similar situation and voted Labour. Fully expecting Deirdre Brock to be returned as SNP MP though. I voted for her last time due to the Tory surge under Davidson and she's been ok. My choice came down to explicit or implicit support for a second independence referendum.

I read somewhere, maybe here, so forgive me if this is a repeat, recently, about the timing of Scottish independence referendum #2. 7 years, which would be 2021 and is not far off what Labour have indicated they would be ok with, is the same gap specified for Irish reunification referenda in the Good Friday Agreement.

This just popped up on my FB feed
rather splendid and sadly much less dated than it should be

"Iain Duncan Smith developed Universal Credit.

I was very proud to go to his constituency.. stand up there on a park bench in the middle of the town and say,

"We, the Labour Party will end Universal Credit."

Jeremy Corbyn.

There is nothing inherently wrong with Universal credit.
It does not need to be abolished.

• make the five week delay five days
• make the earnings increment 49% rather than over 50%
• make the actual amounts paid less stingy
• allow people to opt their HB across to the landlord

and then it will work fine
coupled with Labour's promise to end Right to Buy and allow councils to build homes for rent

abolishing it is just hot air that will add to uncertainty

@UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe Your constituency sounds exactly the same as mine! I think in 2017 Labour had an unusually good showing to come 2nd here. Wasn’t 2017 a national Labour surge? Before that LD usually came 2nd. Our LD candidate is a respected, longstanding local councillor, whereas the Labour one is new. He looks great, and probably has a good political future ahead of him, but I think here LD have a better chance.

However it’s a Tory safe seat. But I’ve only seen one Tory placard up, compared to dozens normally. Are Tories particularly shy this time, or actually disillusioned?

Look at Compare the Tacticals. The advice for my constituency interestingly has changed in the last few days...

comparethetacticals.com/

Aaron Bastani
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5 days left. My instinct is that if Labour can get 3-4% from the Lib Dem’s & Greens, and hold on in a couple of dozen seats, they will form the next government.

Easier said than done but entirely within grasp. Few thought this was possible 4 years ago.

they will work on individual policies with whoever is in power

Three problems for me with that policy.

One, when my previous LibDem MP went into coalition with the Tories I did not see her 'working' on anything. Rather, a review of her voting record had her voting every single time with the Tories. Granted she had to, but ultimately there was no difference between her and a Tory. If I had known that, I would have NEVER voted for her in the first place.

That leads to my second problem, I do not want LD's to work with Tories in any way whatsoever. So, my last problem is that my constituency is extremely conservative (small 'c') and has never voted for a Labour MP. So here I've had to vote again LD but this time really really hoping that they do not prop up a Tory minority goverment!

So here I've had to vote again LD but this time really really hoping that they do not prop up a Tory minority goverment!

I think they will get a lot of resignations from members if they do. Back in 2015 Cameron and Clegg were pals and thought in similar ways. I cannot see how a party which stands for Revoke, or Peoples Vote could prop up a Government which wants a hard Brexit.

I just can’t see LD forming an alliance with the Tories. It’d be electoral suicide after last time, but also their Brexit policies are diametrically opposed. They’d not be able to compromise on it.

I think, at this stage, we need to be working together, frankly.

Being brutally honest, the youth turn-out is a kind of miracle we are wishing for.

So let's not take chunks out of each other. It's utterly counter-productive. Utterly.

They were in a coalition last time @DrBlackbird which is different to supporting individual policies.

I would honestly have anyone working with anyone to try and stop Brexit, although I'm not thinking that will be very possible.

Not just me then. I was beginning to think I lived in a parallel universe.

The tragedy of this election is that our Parties didn't form a Remain Alliance. It was a mistake.

Let's not compound that.

On the ground, people have been amazing. Look at Canterbury. People have sense. People get what's at stake.

We could have done with that at leadership level.

But let's take our example from the people around us - and do better.

💐💐💐💐 to all activists working to avert a calamity.