Westminsterenders: Talent or Colour

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RTB and BCF are presumably busy with more important things. I'm clearly not qualified to start a Westminsterenders thread - but somebody has to take control and collect the waifs and strays.

The party of no talent want to introduce no colour into our lives.

6 days to the election.

Johnson is still a liar.

Corbyn is still apparently loved by Labour members and hated by everyone else.

Swinson is still a charming PTA chair.

BCF thank you that means a hell of a lot and coming off you means a hell of a lot more

I think what has to be remembered and I know some here will go 'poor Corbynista blaming the MSM' but I dont think it gets taken into account nearly enough with the subject of Corbyn, there has been a concentrated effort to make the public hate this pretty ineffectual man, if he was as vile as the MSM make out why has he been consistently voted in to the HOC since 1983, hes always been pretty spot on when it comes to social issues, and you look at the research and data thats been collected on the bias in the media, I dont mean left/right bias but progressive/neo-liberal bias and that is having a massive effect on opinion.

It is really useful that this thread has a wide range of views just
It helps nudge me from an ABC as an instinctive move to a 'my hair is on fire person'.

But I'm a middle aged centrist, I know the flow of history isn't moving in my direction at the moment.
(Obviously I believe I'm right and eventually the pendulum will reset after the extremes have been tested and failed!)
I don't think people want to live in Venezuela or Chile, although I still think Argentina is a real risk.

thank you so much cat, stop getting me in the feelz people

Just I agree, the media bias against Corbyn has been outrageous! Not watching the Queens speech v Lying to the Queen!

I think Argentina is a very real threat now. ☹️

Tiddle I'm a Jess Phillips fan myself.

I cant abide her faux working class narrative but what really got my goat up was when she stood up and said

'I dont know all the parliamentary procedure' and then carried on with her point and in my mind all I thought was you are paid £77,000 a year to fucking learn it, its your job

Dweezil Zappa did a string of Prince Andrew jokes tonight
that rules out his return to the public sphere

Belated pmk. Still reading avidly. Thanks and best wishes to all, esp the regulars. I don't have anything to add that you haven't already said.

I have never met JC and so I don't know what he is really like. He made some errors of judgement early on but, nevertheless, I cannot believe the extreme reaction to him when the alternative is Boris Johnson. Corbyn supported causes like the anti apartheid movement consistently. He fights for people who need the most help and I think he genuinely cares. If only people were more questioning about what they read in the MSM or on social media or what they hear down the pub. I am fearing the worst for the election but hoping I am wrong.

Doomed we are no matter what. That is the reality.

So sad but it is the way life and politics are these days now.

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PMK. I too cannot quite believe the awful press Corbyn gets ... the MSM could have a field day with all of BJ’s failings but instead they hound Corbyn for far less (imo).

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I don’t think there’s any point complaining to the BBC, but I am still raging that Johnson was allowed to not answer questions, tell dreadful lies and take up all the time, and rather than closing him down , Robinson was just his chorus. I do like Corbyn’s civility but he should not have let that go on. I think he must have the patience of a saint to constantly deal with this ,and remain polite and make his points. I don’t think he’s the sharpest knife in the drawer, and I am not sure he is a leader, but I do believe that he has integrity. Just so sad we live in a post truth world.
I think the bias is unconscious, they don’t even know they are doing it.

Love that post,just.

With Keir Starmer, he has intellect and appears to be across the facts as you would expect from a lawyer. Leader? Not sure, people don't really seem to rate intellectual rigour in this country, do they? If they did Keir Starmer would be likely leader of Labour and Dominic Grieve likely leader of the Tories. Can't think of any intellectual libdems these days.

With regards Corbyn stepping down in event of Tory majority, seriously why would he want to stay on? Especially at his age. But who knows 🤷🏻‍♀️

Getbrexitdone is trending on twitter at number three right now. And this isn't part of some left twitter bubble- this is trending - so it is literally all the tweets, in all of twitter, that include the phrase 'get brexit done' - from any and all sides of the political spectrum.

Go have a look. The only tweets that aren't mocking it, deriding it or pointing out that it is a nonsense and a lie come from the tory party - mostly from BJ himself.
There are no - as in literally no - real people tweeting in support of what is designed to be a memorable and repeatable mantra. There is - if you go all the way back to November - one or two BXPers who hate the phrase, because it makes brexit sound like a chore and not the golden glorious opportunity they know it to be
Are brexit supporters/ tory voters just not on twitter? Are they really a silent majority not daring to put their views above the parapet during the campaign but who will come out in great swathes to vote on the day?

or is that case that maybe 'get brexit done' is about as popular a soundbite as 'strong and stable'. Maybe people don't like it. Maybe - in a nation where most people are 'bored of brexit' - putting 'get brexit done' at the heart of their campaign was not a very sensible move (especially as brexiteers find the phrasing too negative!).

maybe things aren't as bleak as we think.

Thanks pretzel. I will look. Phrase makes me want to puke in my boots.

I don't know, call me a miserable old pessimist, but maybe all the Tory/Brexit supporters, are tucked up in bed, sleeping the sleep of those with no conscience? 😏

but those tweets go back days- weeks even. Its trending now - but all tweets that include the phrase, no matter when they were posted, are there. Not a tweet in support. They can't have been in bed that whole time.

Though that is where I need to go now.

I don't think a lot of Tory voters are on Twitter, they are an older demographic.

I think the bias is unconscious, they don’t even know they are doing it.

Can't agree with this. They know exactly what they're hoping to achieve. This is how they play things in their desperate race to bring about privileged insulation against social chaos for themselves and their friends, and potential danger and destruction around every corner for the rest of us.

There are no accidents in this reality tv balloon debate!

Tom Brake is an intelligent and personable LD, has been their Brexit spokesperson since the Referendum, but is curiously low profile. If I were still a member, I’d have supported him for leader. I’d also have voted Ed Davey not Jo Swinson.
I did vote for Chris Huhne when he stood against Nick Clegg...

Meaning I would have supported him had he been a leadership candidate, which he wasn’t.

Reading the Manchester Evening News on line last night and an anti Corbyn advert pops up. They are going for him big time.