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Westminsterenders: Talent or Colour

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FishesaPlenty · 06/12/2019 16:49

RTB and BCF are presumably busy with more important things. I'm clearly not qualified to start a Westminsterenders thread - but somebody has to take control and collect the waifs and strays.

The party of no talent want to introduce no colour into our lives.

6 days to the election.

Johnson is still a liar.

Corbyn is still apparently loved by Labour members and hated by everyone else.

Swinson is still a charming PTA chair.

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lonelyplanetmum · 07/12/2019 07:00

The Tory/ergs seem have targeted specific local on line papers. There were really weird anti Labour ads on Cornwall live.

You'd think some local publications would say no- but I guess they need the money. Wonder how much that all cost?

Piggywaspushed · 07/12/2019 07:13

Have caught up on the thread after going to bed at 10.30, sleeping the sleep pf those with no conscience Grin

I suppose my Labour voting principles are coloured by growing up on Red Clydeside in the Thatcher years but I prefer the left wing version of the Labour party. I was always happy when Labour were in power but acknowledge that -to win- the labs went almost right of centre. I have always slightly thought - in rather idealised way- that if so called 'Labour voters' can't vote for Labour now because it's 'too left wing' I don't really want their votes... they are why the Labs went right in the first place and that is why we will never get a socialist government - which I , personally, would welcome. But my standpoint is not a pragmatic one to unseat the Tories.

What I don't understand is why we are, or appear to be, a more right wing / right of centre country these days. I assume the British (English?) psyche is essentially parochial and 'I'm all right Jack' : the Thatcher ' there is no such thing as society' idea?

I feel like it might be a bad thing to say 'I like Corbyn' so I even pretend to my friends that I agree with them when they say he is unelectable! There are 'shy Tories' and also 'shy Corbynites' !

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2019 07:14

Meant to say this last night but lost wifi....that cat you're right in that I've got one week in which to be hopeful! So I'll make the most of it Smile.

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 07:17

I think the on-line ads must be costing a fortune. And I think they're using some of the techniques we saw in the referendum.

I find that chilling, frankly.

Piggywaspushed · 07/12/2019 07:25

I had to block a Tory ad from my FB feed. Not the sidebar, the actual feed. God knows how they decided I wanted to see that 'based on my preferences'.

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2019 07:27

"The UK’s 2019 general election is already being talked of as one of the dirtiest on record".

So not just MSM but all those online ads and more. Tories totally picking up the Republican playbook. Ironic how Russian influence used to be the accusation thrown at the left and now it's the Tories and Republicans benefitting from their support.

theconversation.com/uk-election-2019-dirty-tricks-wrong-footing-a-media-that-now-faces-a-fight-to-remain-relevant-128326

lonelyplanetmum · 07/12/2019 07:29

I suppose the pop ups on local papers is targeted expenditure ..as none is wasted on super safe or no chance seats.

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 07:29

Piggy The absurd thing is that people really like Labour policies. When they are asked to rate policies, without knowing whose they are, they like Labour policies.

It's an extraordinary situation.

As for why the English (always worth repeating this is primarily an English problem) are like this, I don't know.

One of the posts that has really resonated with me over the last week is the one from the poster in France, talking about her child's class size being reduced to 15.

That couldn't happen in the UK. Even Labour wouldn't dare give schools the funding and ability to do that.

We are very conservative (small 'c') and I genuinely don't know why.

Perhaps it really is the media? Young people just don't interact with media in the same way and their political views are massively different from those 2 generations above them.

It makes me wonder about what is going to happen over the next few years. It's quite something if an older generation gets to determine a future radically (& I do mean radically) at variance with the wishes and desires of young adults.

Housing and climate are huge, huge issues.

Both are important in their own right but also connected to a radically altered capitalist system.

I genuinely don't think many older people grasp the extent to which capitalism has changed - and will change - because, for them, it feels the same.

But it feels massively different for younger people. They don't have to read articles on the LSE blog to know this. It is their immediate, lived experience.

And that is, in part, what Brexit and this GE is about.

So goodness knows how all this is going to turn out in the next few years.

Despite all the 'Get Brexit Dine' none of these issues are going away.

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GingerPCatt · 07/12/2019 07:33

Someone pointed out that keir starmer looks like what would happen if someone ironed Gordon Ramsey. Now it’s all I can see.

DGRossetti · 07/12/2019 07:34

Seems the only way to get Boris ahead is to ask fewer people.

Westminsterenders: Talent or Colour
DrBlackbird · 07/12/2019 07:43

DGR or ask a Tory owned polling firm?

DrBlackbird · 07/12/2019 07:50

Agree with you Cat but are the younger voters connecting their lived experiences enough with the political parties and party policies?

There's a risk that digital natives who consume all of their news online - many of the students I've taught have never read a MSM paper - are even more at risk from dirty tricks and misleading ads?

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 07:50

I'm just going to repeat this: John Major is telling people not to vote Conservative.

I can't believe that we are so far down the rabbit hole that this fact just glides over many people.

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 07:51

Well, they seem to be quite canny, DrBlackbird.

Motheroffourdragons · 07/12/2019 07:59

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/12/2019 08:05

Mother Flowers

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 08:07

Wow, that's quite an accolade, Just! Keep rocking!

Stinkyeddie · 07/12/2019 08:08

Agree completely mother
I voted green in the locals too and it kept the Tory out so I'm glad

Tanith · 07/12/2019 08:13

Well, quite!

We are the only party who can deliver Brexit insists the only party that has failed to
Source is Newsthump

Given that practically every word BJ utters is a lie, I'm astounded that Brexiteers believe him when he parrots the latest soundbite "Get Brexit Done".

Violetparis · 07/12/2019 08:15

I enjoy your posts too Just, I also like Corbyn but maybe not as much as you do Smile. Have any of you read 'A Very British Coup' ? It was written by a Labour MP in the early 80's and is about a Left wing PM who is destroyed by the establisment. The parallels with what is happening now to Corbyn is shocking. It's worth a read.

Tanith · 07/12/2019 08:17

"Getbrexitdone is trending on twitter at number three right now. And this isn't part of some left twitter bubble- this is trending - so it is literally all the tweets, in all of twitter, that include the phrase 'get brexit done' - from any and all sides of the political spectrum. "

That's why they chose it. They saw how "Strong and Stable" was used to mock Theresa May and they came up with a slogan that, even if mocked and derided, would get their message trending.

thecatfromjapan · 07/12/2019 08:18

I can't bring myself to be negative about the LibDems. We need them. We need them to win in the Con-Lib marginals.

Never underestimate what they're fighting: they're a small Party and they've been hammered by forces determined that the UK will have a Brexit government.

So I, personally, am Labour through and through. The LDs are not for me - but I'm not going to tear into them. The time for post-mortems isn't here yet. For now, they need support in those key marginals.

People's Vote are trying to organise non-Party political support - but, my goodness, they're stretched thin.

I think even Tom Brake's seat is vulnerable. It's gutting to think how hard someone like him is fighting against a pro-Brexit contingent with vastly more funding.

So, while I'm not a LibDem, I can't bring myself to criticise.

Motheroffourdragons · 07/12/2019 08:26

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Tanith · 07/12/2019 08:27

"Never underestimate what they're fighting: they're a small Party and they've been hammered by forces determined that the UK will have a Brexit government."

Our LibDem candidate is good! He works hard, people know and trust him, and he has the local Conservatives absolutely terrified.

Violetparis · 07/12/2019 08:33

I also think Jo Swinson's strategy of hammering Corbyn has backfired in that Tory remainers who may have voted Lib Dem are sticking with the Tories to ensure Corbyn can't win.

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