Westminstenders: 10 day count down

[RedToothBrush]

10 days to go...

... Wake me up when the shit show is over.

you seem to forget that on average UC meant that people have been receiving LESS benefit overall in the first place.

I'd have got the same on UC as I did on tax credits

Oh, to live the life of someone who no longer has to work/commute and doesn't give a shit about those who do.

Re the bedroom tax, you know very well what the issue is.

Yes.

And I addressed this 🤷🏻‍♀️

dusty
Then best of luck to you under a tory govt

Sitting at home all day, whiling away the hours flicking through the Daily Mail and winding themselves up about the imaginary lives of benefit scroungers.

Those people should try getting out and about a bit; doing something worthwhile; meeting real people and talking to them.

Well, the train fare reduction may not be immediately relevant to the tiny percentage of those in your situation, Dusty.

A tiny percentage of the country don't have easy access to a train station??!!

KK then.... 🤔

cat
You've pretty much just described most tory voters!!!

But you drive Dusty. If you fancy a day out, you can get in a car and go.
Do you really really see a day out on the train for a non driver as a 'subsidised jolly' ?
Does the fact that you don't live near a train station mean that other people shouldn't take advantage of the fact they do?
Subsided jolly FFS!

Oh, to live the life of someone who no longer has to work/commute and doesn't give a shit about those who do.

Was on benefits because I couldn't work - not because I 'no longer had to' 🙄

I don't commute.
Never have.
Doesn't mean I can't empathise with those that have to, to get to work to keep a roof over their heads..
"Jollies"????!!
Ffs.

Sitting at home all day, whiling away the hours flicking through the Daily Mail and winding themselves up about the imaginary lives of benefit scroungers.

Literally said I was on benefits myself

Never said anything about 'scroungers'
(But don't let the facts get in the way of some righteous outrage, eh!)

Good luck dusty

Only nutty authoritarians would be welcoming it.

But authoritarianism is a very predominant moral choice both here and in the US.

That article I posted up thread touches on it - it says there are:

" six moral concerns as the best candidates for being the innate "taste buds" of the moral sense: care/harm, fairness/cheating, liberty/oppression, loyalty/betrayal, authority/subversion, and sanctity/degradation."

" Despite being in the wake of a financial crisis that ...should have buried the cultural issues and pulled most voters to the left, we are finding in America and many European nations a stronger shift to the right. When people fear the collapse of their society, they want order and national greatness, not a more nurturing government."

I'm afraid my thoughts this morning from reading that article are that whilst it's worth fighting on- there is a huge element of inevitability.

The ConservatERG success in the polls is nothing to do with intrinsic merits of their policies or beliefs ( because there aren't any merits). It's all to do with being in the right place at the right time. In America this shift to the right in the poorer in society has been fuelled by the American dream and here it's facilitated by our class obsession.

Guardian ~link~againn*

I live in South but to get to a train station it's a 30 min drive or two infrequent buses

Your likely to get more buses if Labour are in power, the Tories have gutted local authorities and by allowing bus companies to dictate which routes they will run because of profit means a lot of people have become isolated.

Was on benefits because I couldn't work - not because I 'no longer had to' 🙄
How did you find the constant threat of sanctions? The WCA how was that for you? How did you manage for the first 5 weeks with no money? Does the LHA cover all of your rent?

Sitting at home all day, whiling away the hours flicking through the Daily Mail and winding themselves up about the imaginary lives of benefit scroungers.

The difference between a Tory voter and the rest of the populace is they dont give a flying fuck about other people not 1 shiny shit is given, its all about 'ME, what will I get, THEY dont deserve it but what do I get', fuck every single one of the selfish cunts

Your fantasies have enabled the decimation of the UK's economy and will enable the weakening of the UK's governance. The UK will be weakened internationally and corruption - which is currently less of a feature in the UK than many other countries - will rise.

Your not a patriot, Dusty. Your fantasies are destroying the UK.

I live the UK. I'm proud of its institutions, and the history in which they are embedded.

It hurts me to see the UK vein weakened internally and internationally. I grieve for the diminished future of a nation I'm proud to call my home.

I despair of those 'enemies within' who are going to destroy it.

By voting for sleazy, untrustworthy, compromises Johnson.

But you drive Dusty. If you fancy a day out, you can get in a car and go.
Do you really really see a day out on the train for a non driver as a 'subsidised jolly' ?
Does the fact that you don't live near a train station mean that other people shouldn't take advantage of the fact they do?
Subsided jolly FFS!

I take it all back

You've really made the case for subsidised rail travel

I'm converted

I believe that train travel should be subsidised by the state because a minority of people rely on trains

Your not a patriot, Dusty. Your fantasies are destroying the UK.

What a strange statement
"You're not a patriot!"

Very American

Very American

Corbyn didnt wear the right coat
Corbyn didnt bow his head deeply enough
Corbyn didnt sing 'God save the Queen'
Corbyn doesnt watch the Queens speech

What is the framing there do you think DD?

So you'd rather people who rely on trains just be priced out of using them? Just because you personally don't get any benefit from train travel?

This has made my day loving the Eu sticker on the post!

If a minority of people rely on trains, how come there were 1.7Billion train passenger journeys last year?
Source Wikipedia

Corbyn didnt wear the right coat
Corbyn didnt bow his head deeply enough
Corbyn didnt sing 'God save the Queen'
Corbyn doesnt watch the Queens speech

I've never said anything like this

What is the framing there do you think DD?

Nowt to do with me 🤷🏻‍♀️

I was called 'not a patriot' - I commented that it was a strange thing to say & very American

Not sure why you've launched in with this stuff

And Dusty, only a minority of people rely on buses.
Are you in favour of pricing them out of using them as well?

She's pointing out that the main thrust of anti-Corbyn propaganda circles around his (supposed) lack of patriotism.

She's inferring that this is propaganda aimed at authoritarians and (supposedly) patriotic potential Conservative voters.

I'm pointing out that there is nothing patriotic about voting for the Conservatives.

The coupling of authoritarian patriotism with the current incarnation of the Conservatives is the biggest lie at work in this election.

People who love the UK don't vote Conservative.

Are you in favour of pricing them out of using them as well?

Genuinely struggling to find where I've explicitly stated that I'm 'in favour of pricing people out'

I'm sure you've not made a giant leap from something I've said to something I haven't, so I will continue to search for that elusive post