Westminstenders: 10 day count down

[RedToothBrush]

10 days to go...

... Wake me up when the shit show is over.

John Major campaigning against conservatives. Reality is getting well weird.

He's campaigning against New Conservatives, not his sort of Conservatives.

Better to call them English Nationalists - New Conservatives sounds positive.

On the clip I saw the audio was much less clear. Has that Brexit Central video you shared been cleaned up?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-people-of-colour-talent-immigration-uk-general-election-brexit-a9235441.html

On this version it’s much easier to understand how the confusion arose.

Oooh looks like the pro EU ex PM's have got their knickers in a twist
Carry on Boris!

You mean the way Tony Blair - the only Labour leader to win a majority in the last 45 years - has explicitly said that Corbyn shouldn’t be allowed to win a majority?

😂😂 Tory voters really do have NOTHING except rants about Corbyn.

The John McDonnell webchat was interesting
not just because he responded to myself, derxa and noblegiraffe
I am deliberately not using the word answered because he didn't
but amused that he cracked a few decent jokes
annoyed that he supports self-ID
BUT
the worm can turn on that one after Brexit has been resolved .....

I have decided how to arrange my drinks shelf for next Thursday ....

A bottle of Buckfast for a Conservative outright majority
A bottle of gin for a borderline hung parliament
A bottle of champagne for a totally hung parliament that will force real change

I don't think a bottle of Buckfast will cut it if there is a Tory majority.

Well I've got the rosary beads and novenas out and don't care what anyone thinks about it.

Better to call them English Nationalists - New Conservatives sounds positive.

I think we do need to call them something to differentiate them from the Conservative Party of John Major, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke, and even David Cameron.

People still seem to think they're voting for a party even trying to provide a stable, sensible government with moderate policies; a steady hand on the wheel.

There's a name based around Conservative, Unionist Nationalist and Tory that suits best.

Although 'Unionist' they certainly aren't any more. And us English probably have a future of permanent Tory rule to look forward to if Scotland goes.

😂😂Love it Baloney. You would think the people who actively go out to vote for the Tories would know what the hell this shower is all about now but nope.

ellie56
I think a three litre bottle of gut rot cider might be in order as well

This party is not one bit unionist. Scotland will go and Ireland will unite. I never thought I would see it in my lifetime but if the Tories get in it is inevitable. Sooner rather than later.

I'm going to get stocious. Either drowning my sorrows or celebrating to end all celebrating.

This party is not one bit unionist. Scotland will go and Ireland will unite. I never thought I would see it in my lifetime but if the Tories get in it is inevitable. Sooner rather than later.

And the alternative, if they don't get in? Has to be Corbyn doing a deal with NS and allowing a Scottish referendum doesn't it. Same outcome.

Is there anything already done to show how losing the Scottish and NI seats would have changed the make-up of the last few parliaments? I assume there'd have been a strong Tory majority in at least the last 3 elections without the Scottish seats. We'd certainly already be out of the EU without the SNP.

"I think we do need to call them something to differentiate them from the Conservative Party of John Major, Michael Heseltine, Ken Clarke, and even David Cameron. "

Call them what they are: the Brexit party.

I agree. I sometimes call them the Conservatergs to show the dominance of the ERG.

Consergatives?
Conservexits?

Baloney - I have explained before how Scotland rarely affects the "colour" of the government the UK gets - and on those rare occasions, it is almost never a stable government. The 2017 GE is a case in point: the 13 Scottish Conservative MPs gave May enough MPs - but only with the C&S arrangement with the DUP - to form a Government.

Cameron's 2015 majority was formed with only a single Scottish Conservative. The Conservative governments from 1979 to 1992 didn't need any MPs from Scotland to have a majority. And as it happens, neither did any of Blair's Labour administrations from 1997.

It's an oft-repeated trope than Scotland is "needed" to protect us from the Conservatives.

The UK gets what England wants by sheer force of numbers.

Neil’s ready Boris. Still running scared?

I'd suggest it becomes slightly confusing when you're trying to explain the difference between the C.U.N.T.S. and the old Conservative Party, if you refer to them as the Brexit Party.

"The Brexity Party will do XYZ" isn't going to make anybody think anything negative about the Conservative Party.

"The Conservative Party is now just like the Brexit Party" is what you mean. But you have to explain things like that to people who aren't in your bubble.

Referring to them in a way that implies they've changed (or been taken over), that can be dropped into a normal conversation, seems to provoke questions. "What do you mean by the New Conservatives?". Try it.

It's not an ideal name though, as Peregrina pointed out.

Thanks prettybird, I should do the numbers rather than assuming I suppose. But it feels like it might be very tedious and I'm certain someone will post a sodding graph demonstrating exactly what I want to know, the day after I've spent my rain-afternoon working it out.

twitter.com/KevinPascoe/status/1202922099263909888?fbclid=IwAR161RTjjY16E6sRXZOYNiVqVIqXXSBft1hKCTbQLDgohlDH6F3t7hcRehg

Sorry to go back to this again - but BJ clearly does say colour - doesn't he? And I don't think this is a distraction. I think later videos have been doctored. This is important surely.

And the alternative, if they don't get in? Has to be Corbyn doing a deal with NS and allowing a Scottish referendum doesn't it. Same outcome.

The ref will definitely lead to independence if we have Brexit. If we stay in the EU maybe it won't.🤔

I absolutely hate this new brand of Tories (or as Baloney points out: C.U.N.T.).

Yes, there are issues with Corbyn, too (where's David Miliband when you need him?), but generally speaking I hate the Tories more. I live in an area where Tories are top and where Labour have never won and are behind other parties. So I don't have to vote for either party to vote tactically.