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Westminstenders: Frozen

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RedToothBrush · 29/11/2019 15:45

Boris Johnson was empty chaired by C4 with a block of ice.

The Conservatives went mental and have threatened to look at C4 broadcast remit.

This is illiberal and anti democratic.

Journalists are supposed to hold power to account on behalf of the public. If MPs don't turn up then they can't be held to account.

They have a duty to show. It's not good enough to avoid scrutiny because it might make you look bad. That's the whole point.

The contempt with which Johnson holds the press and public is reprehensible and you should be concerned whatever your political alligence. It allows corruption to fester without consequence.

And to then threaten C4 because they do their job in line with their responsibility as a broadcaster is alarming.

This is how authoritarian dictators work.

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TheMShip · 01/12/2019 13:27

I'm sick and tired of hearing about it and wish it would all just go away @Peregrina Grin

We had a leaflet from Labour today, in fact we've had all the major Scottish parties plus BXP. I'm not surprised to see Labour, SNP, or Tory election material, as based on 2017 it should be a 3 way marginal (19,243 SNP, 17,618 Labour, 15,385 Tory), but as all others lost their deposits I was a bit surprised to see any spending at all from them.

I think we'll see the Tory vote dropping away as the Ruth Davidson effect fades. Whether those voters go Labour or SNP is an open question. I suspect SNP as that reflects the 2015-17 swing, but we've also got a lot of people here unhappy with the Scottish govt, esp the children's hospital fuck up. The MRP from YouGov has SNP far out in front and Tories 2nd, though neck and neck with Labour.

I voted Labour (by post). It was either them or SNP: I did my pro/con lists, but not having my vote counted as favouring independence tipped my decision.

DGRossetti · 01/12/2019 13:36

DGR, do you mean to say he's done it and it hasn't been broadcast?

No. I mean if 50,000 "new" nurses can include 19,000 that are already there, then a "new" interview from Boris is simply one that's already been done.

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/piers-morgan-rips-floundering-mp-20954154

mrslaughan · 01/12/2019 13:37

@DrBlackbird then you have NZ - which is perhaps a better example of a private/public system - which works really well.

In situations like this it is right that the wealthy pays twice - and everyone gets good healthcare.

prettybird · 01/12/2019 13:45

<a class="break-all" href="https://nytimes.app.goo.gl/?link=www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/opinion/britain-election-disinformation-johnson.html?code%3DMjQyOWQ0Y2ItNjE3Ny00MTI1LTkxN2ItOGQwNDc2OGY5NDU2%26state%3Dno-state&apn=com.nytimes.android&amv=9837&isi=284862083&ibi=com.nytimes.NYTimes&cid=2687058121431332668&_icp=1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://nytimes.app.goo.gl/?link=www.nytimes.com/2019/11/29/opinion/britain-election-disinformation-johnson.html?code%3DMjQyOWQ0Y2ItNjE3Ny00MTI1LTkxN2ItOGQwNDc2OGY5NDU2%26state%3Dno-state&apn=com.nytimes.android&amv=9837&isi=284862083&ibi=com.nytimes.NYTimes&cid=2687058121431332668&_icp=1

Oh to see us as others see us (to paraphrase Rabbie Burns) Hmm

I found this bit really sad - but true Sad:

The effect of such stunts is less to actively counter opponents’ political arguments -^ how many of the fabled floating voters who historically decide British elections get their views from largely anonymous websites or fake newspapers? - and more to undermine trust in politics itself.^

And it seems, at least in part, to be working. As one voter said recently, she was voting for Boris Johnson precisely because he is a proven liar. It shows, she said, “he’s human.”

prettybird · 01/12/2019 13:46

(Bugger - I tried to get rid of the strike through but it's hard to tell on the app Blush)

DGRossetti · 01/12/2019 13:49

As one voter said recently, she was voting for Boris Johnson precisely because he is a proven liar. It shows, she said, “he’s human

Of course, she could be lying ...

DGRossetti · 01/12/2019 14:06

Seems CCHQ were ahead of me here ..

Johnson said he was “perfectly happy to be interviewed by any interviewer called Andrew from the BBC”, but said he had taken part in many interviews in the campaign.

from

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/boris-johnson-blames-labour-for-release-of-london-bridge-killer-usman-khan

BigChocFrenzy · 01/12/2019 14:17

Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Caught up with #Marr interview.

British prime ministers for 50 years have had to deal with and respond to terrorist attacks.

Whether you support him or not, I think it’s fair to say none of Boris Johnson’s predecessors responded to any of them in such a nakedly political fashion.

chomalungma · 01/12/2019 14:38

That Marr interview was something else.

DGRossetti · 01/12/2019 14:43

metro.co.uk/2019/11/29/theresa-may-fire-unveiling-statue-nazi-sympathising-mp-11242921/

Theresa May under fire after unveiling statue of ‘Nazi-sympathising’ MP

Theresa May has come under fire after unveiling a statue that ‘honours a Nazi-sympathising anti-Semite’.

Britain’s former prime minister travelled to Plymouth on Thursday for a ceremony to unveil a bronze statue of Nancy Astor who was the first female MP to sit in Parliament.

Mrs May said she was ‘honoured’ to be taking part in the event, adding that she was ‘especially pleased to do so, as our country’s second female prime minister’.

Boris Johnson also made a visit to the statue while on the General Election campaign trail, joining Rebecca Smith, the Conservative candidate for Plymouth Sutton.

However, the unveiling event – held near to Lady Astor’s former family home – spurred fury online, with thousands of people alleging that Ms Astor was a Nazi sympathiser.

On Twitter, Ash Sarkar accused the Conservatives of ‘celebrating notorious anti-Semites’.

She wrote: ‘Nancy Astor was a Nazi sympathiser who speculated that Hitler could be the solution to the ‘world problem’ of Jews.

‘Why, in this political climate, do the Conservatives get a free pass to celebrate notorious antisemites?’

In the lead up to the Second World War, Lady Astor is said to have written to US Ambassador to Britain Joseph Kenendy Sr. saying that Hitler might be the solution to the ‘world problem’ of Jews.

She added that Hitler would have to do more than just ‘give a rough time’ to ‘the killers of Christ’ before she would support an Armageddon to save them.

‘The wheel of history swings round as the Lord would have it. Who are we to stand in the way of the future?’

Professor David Feldman, director of the Pears Institute for the study of Antisemitism, has also recounted an episode he uncovered in which Lady Astor argued Jews were to blame in some measure for their persecution, according to Jewish News.

At a Jewish charity dinner held at the Savoy Hotel in London in November 1934, she is alleged to have ‘turned to James McDonald [the League of Nations’ high commissioner for refugees] and asked ‘did I not after all believe there must be something of the Jews themselves which had brought them persecution throughout all the ages.

‘Was it not therefore, in the final analysis, their responsibility?”

In 1939, she was dubbed ‘the Member for Berlin’, by MP Stafford Cripps during a Parliamentary debate about training of the military.

This was a reference to the American-born British politician’s perceived attitude towards Germany at the time of the Third Reich.

Ash’s post claiming that the Conservative Party was ‘celebrating notorious antisemites’ received more than 21,000 likes and 7,300 retweets.

Thousands of people were outraged in the comment section, with many accusing the Conservative Party of not caring about anti-Semitism.

Chris Jackson wrote: ‘Anti semitic and anti catholic. So much for a society that supposedly respects people from other Faith’s and backgrounds. Reward people with abhorrent views with a statue.

Matt Shaw added: ‘It’s almost as if they couldn’t give a s**t about anti-Semitism’.

Another person under the username @SaltMerchantYT said: ‘It’s super not great that a feminist icon who set the landmark of becoming the first female MP was also a massive s**thouse.’

The bronze tribute, by artist and sculptor Hayley Gibbs, is the result of a £125,000 crowdfunding project spearheaded by the Nancy Astor Statue Appeal.

At the unveiling event on Thursday, Mrs May told the crowd: ‘When Nancy Astor became the first woman to take her seat in the House of Commons, 100 years ago, our country and our democracy were changed for the better.

‘Her arrival in Parliament ushered in a new era.

‘Finally giving a voice to a huge swathe of the population, who for too long had been missing from our politics and our law-making.’

Lady Astor served in Parliament as a member of the Conservative Party for Plymouth Sutton until 1945.

She is well remembered for her support towards lowering the voting age for women from 30 to 21 and the Intoxicating Liquor Act which restricted the sale of alcohol to those 18 and above, rather than 14.

Metro.co.uk has contacted Mrs May, the Conservative Party and the Nancy Astor Statue Appeal for comment.

ContinuityError · 01/12/2019 14:59

On Twitter - from The Secret Barrister:

The Prime Minister has basically copied and pasted my blogpost into a thread and passed it off as his own explanation.

A blogpost which I had to write to rebut the lies he spent yesterday spouting.

This is weapons grade shithousery.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 15:00

Balance of Power
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We’ll be covering the #ITVDebate tonight. We also understand that the representatives will be:

CON - Rishi SUNAK
LAB - Richard BURGON
SNP - Nicola STURGEON
LD - Jo SWINSON
PC - Adam PRICE
GRN - Siân BERRY
BXP - Nigel FARAGE

#BritainDecides #GE2019

ClashCityRocker · 01/12/2019 15:28

Burgon ought to be well versed on the cuts to the prison system at least. Hopefully he can offer voters clarity on what actually led to a convicted terrorist sentenced to sixteen years in 2012 being on the streets in 2019. (Hint: it wasn't Labour).

On a slightly more positive note, a fair few of my undecided but Conservative-leaning acquaintances have noted that BJ's only strategy thus far has been 'but Labour...' and 'Get Brexit Done'. I doubt it will swing to them voting Labour, but it might well stop them voting Conservative.

refraction · 01/12/2019 15:41

On a slightly more positive note, a fair few of my undecided but Conservative-leaning acquaintances have noted that BJ's only strategy thus far has been 'but Labour...' and 'Get Brexit Done'. I doubt it will swing to them voting Labour, but it might well stop them voting Conservative.

I wonder how many times a day he says

' but Jeremy Corby'

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 15:41

TheLuckyHeron🌍
@LuckyHeronSay
Ladies and gentlemen, the Tory Manifesto in a single photograph.

Not one, but two disabled spaces.

Westminstenders: Frozen
tobee · 01/12/2019 16:07

What an asshat

JustAnotherPoster00 · 01/12/2019 16:17

Jeremy Corbyn
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"We try not to eat a lot in one day, even though most of us are really hungry."

This sentence should never be uttered by any child, let alone one living in the 5th richest country in the world.

Make no mistake, the Tories are responsible for this.

twitter.com/i/status/1201168095295033346

tobee · 01/12/2019 16:30

London Bridge: Woman killed in attack named as Saskia Jones www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50621581

ArseDarkly · 01/12/2019 16:39

It's only just dawned on me that the reason bozo wanted Marr over Neil was to do with scheduling - i.e. Sunday morning lie-in/family time over prime evening slot - rather than 'difficulty' of interviewer.

tobee · 01/12/2019 16:48

Yup

georgedawes · 01/12/2019 16:54

When will the Yougov MRP be updated, does anyone know?

Our constituency looks very, very close.

Hoping Dominic Raab's is too!!

tobee · 01/12/2019 17:31

www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1211610/Election-polls-2019-John-Curtice-election-prediction-polling-latest/amp

Taken reporting with pinch of salt as is Express.

Separate to this:- Interesting to see how, according to YouGov poll, Tories and Labour sharply up but LibDem, Brexit Party etc sharply down. Don't know how this compares for other g.e?

This does not include SNP btw

BigChocFrenzy · 01/12/2019 18:35

tobee Most of the GEs I've watched - going back to 1970 - had the LDems & minor parties squeezed by the big 2
This has included GEs with LDems expecting much more, after famous byelection victories
So the squeeze is reverting to type

Curtice is a genuine expert, but things could still change over the next 10 days

'To date, the Conservative lead in the polls has rested primarily on the fact that the party has come to dominate the Leave vote,
whereas the Remain vote is split between Labour and the Liberal Democrats.
Sir John explains that “however, the split on the Remain side is now much less pronounced”.'

HesterThrale · 01/12/2019 18:52

Austerity, poverty, NHS, education and social justice are obviously extremely important and need to be discussed, but are Labour shying away from mentioning Brexit?

As some (ex-Labour) voters say they'll vote Tory because they're (understandably) sick of Brexit, and Johnson will 'get it done', isn't it time that all the opposition went on the offensive in explaining very clearly how it won't be 'done'?

How there'll be years of trade talks?
How it's possible we'll have to extend the January deadline?
And have to ask to extend transition, or fall off the cliff next December?
And of course how it will leave us in an unfavourable position?

This 'get it done' is a complete fallacy and needs to be thoroughly exposed. This is what people are basing their vote on.

borntobequiet · 01/12/2019 18:55

From a personal point of view, I understand the squeeze. I’ve never considered voting Labour before. I think if Vince Cable hadn’t stepped down, I would still be voting LD. The tone of the party has really changed under Jo Swinson.