Westminstenders: Massive Rightwing Plot?

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Tonight 10pm

YouGov MRP.

First big poll

Rumour is that it shows a big tory majority.

This would fit with two MRP polls that are already out if accurate.

Datapraxis is suggesting a Tory majority of 48.

Best for Britain (Pro remain) is suggesting a majority of 57.

www.newscientist.com/article/2224783-what-is-mrp-and-can-it-predict-the-result-of-the-uk-general-election/
What is MRP and can it predict the result of the UK general election?

It stands for multi-level regression and post-stratification. Its a polling method which uses demographic data to work out how people will vote. YouGov used it to accurately predict the 2017 result and the method was used to predict the 2016 US election.

@Yappy12

Corbyn has no chance after the Andrew Neil interview ... he didn't even appologise to the British Jews. The man is an idiot and not fit for office imho

I just read this in the Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7732953/Sweeping-68-seat-majority-forecast-Boris-Johnsons-Tories.html

This idea of Cendrillon's (or whatever pamhpleteer she gets her ideas from) that Labour winning a general election outright or entering into a coalition as senior partner would constitute 'seizing power' is incredibly dangerous. It suggests that such an outcome would be illegitimate.

Hi math if you scroll back you'll see what kind of a fun evening it's been on here!

Yes, I did .

Lots of irony as well, always interesting to see.

Do you know that the Labour Party are bankrolled by the Unions?

During the third quarter of this year, Corbyn and Labour banked £2.6 million from trade unions, accounting for 93% of all the donations they reported.

Since Jeremy Corbyn became Leader of the Labour Party, his union comrades have bankrolled his ambitions with a £42 million cash pile.

sorry i just don't buy it.
I think Esher will go LD
Hastings and Rye almost certain to turn red.
Lewes wi go LD
Also not one Con -Ld change in the west country - really ?

JoannaObrien yes of course we know labour is mostly funded by the unions!

Do you know that the Labour Party are bankrolled by the Unions?

No!

You're telling me that the Labour Party are indirectly bankrolled by the working people of this country who've joined unions to protect their workers' rights?

It's a scandal and they should be ashamed of themselves.

You need to warn the world @JoannaObrien

I know I am southcentic
But that "poll" (actually just old data re-hashed ) doesn't ring true.

Just’s post at 01:15 re polls interesting and I think probably accurate. And shock horror about Union involvement in Labour. We are indeed blessed by the wisdom of ploppers.

Next you'll be telling us the Conservative Party is funded by big business and wealthy individuals wanting to pay less tax and influence government policy - and that the source of some of this money is dodgy less than clear.

Hopefully that big poll will do more damage than good to the Conservatives.

This idea of Cendrillon's (or whatever pamhpleteer she gets her ideas from) that Labour winning a general election outright or entering into a coalition as senior partner would constitute 'seizing power' is incredibly dangerous. It suggests that such an outcome would be illegitimate.

You sound surprised, @mathanxiety. But @CendrillonSings lives in a world where Blair isn't "an ideological extremist" (23:20). So presumably the fact that he's simply a bloodthirsty, power-mad religious fundamentalist will be of comfort to those in the Middle East whose families and livelihoods and homelands Blair sanctioned decimating

Have any of you actually been in a Union I have it was a closed shop so I had no choice. We were forced to strike and I didn't get paid for months. The Union did give us some money but not enough. Some Unions help people but they didn't help me.

Jeremy needs to go back to his allotment where is he belongs because he is not fit for office .. I have tweeted this to him because I am not afraid to tell Labour what I think of them.

Where are you based Joanna? I believe closed shops have been illegal in the UK since 1990.

Next you'll be telling us the Conservative Party is funded by big business and wealthy individuals wanting to pay less tax and influence government policy

So the Labour party gets limited funds from workers with union membership.

Whilst the Conservative party gets unlimited funds from financiers with Kremlin membership...

Alexander Temerko £1.2 million

Lubov Chernukhin (the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, a former ally of Putin) £1,218,482.40

Alexander Knaster former ceo of Russian bank - £455,000

Lev Mikheev- managed Putin allies money £212,000

Evgeny Lebedev- favours and holidays

Also...randomly

There's little focus on the fact that Labour would try and reduce arms trade.
Did you know in two years alone the Tories have entered into £2 billion worth of arms deals with Turkey (for use in Syria), Saudi Arabia , Egypt and United Arab Emirates?

www.caat.org.uk/issues/introduction/saudi

My solid Labour seat is apparently now a "lean Labour" seat according to that poll. It's a Labour Leave area. Let's see if the reported extra campaigning funds head our way and whether the Tories have a better go. Still not received any campaign leaflets from anybody.
Talking to people locally Labour messages are seen as so much "blah blah" without Brexit. Yes, we are all bored of Brexit but it doesn't mean people around here have forgotten about it.
I'm afraid that Brexit is the no.1 issue and if the Tories can lure people by saying they will deliver, the sitting Labour MP (who is a Party spokesman and moderately high profile) might get dumped.

@JoannaObrien , have you fallen through a wormhole. There are no closed shops. Unless you mean you only have one choice of Union as the recognised union at your work. That isn't a closed shop.

BTW, I missed the "Do a Goebbels". Have you lost your fucking minds with that shit.

Glad I went to bed and missed all that. @ListeningQuietly that reference was mind blowingly inappropriate. After all the discussion here about anti semitism? Just so wrong.

Anyway I came on to post this about what it's really like in a hospital when BJ visits. Made me think of squid. Sorry I can't copy paste as the text is in attached images: twitter.com/HinduMonkey/status/1198924351795605508?s=19

Someone tweeted last night that the problem with Labour is that they treated 2017 like a win.

Last night's MRP poll was really quite unsurprising with CON poll leads around 11-12%.

Obviously a big part of the problem is Corbyn, but you have to wonder how much difference a (for eg) Starmer leadership would make, with a media which won't hold Johnson to account. The BBC's blatant complicity in the Andrew Neil interview fiasco is evidence that democratic accountability in the U.K. has completely broken down.

bellini , not sure what you mean by minds.... one person on the thread posted the comment. She hardly got a load of cheerleaders.

Not sure you can accuse the BBC of colluding on the Neil thing. It's Corbyn's team's fault for not getting it in writing that Johnson has signed up. Neil would eviscerate Johnson, which is why he's not doing an interview.
I don't like Neil but it's not his fault Labour were stupid enough to agree it without either a) getting a written agreement or b) making pointed and repeated references to Johnson being a chicken.

@Piggywaspushed , it's still up on the thread.