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RedToothBrush · 24/11/2019 21:25

The closing date for registration is this Tuesday

The weekend has seen the leaders question time debates.

Johnson failed to answer a question and the BBC edited later edited footage to change laughter at him to applause.

Swinson continues to prove that the Lib Dem campaign planners don't understand the electorate. They based the campaign around her and the more the public see her and the more she opens her gob she proves she's the witless headgirl who really knows fuck all.

Corbyn has now adopted a neutral 2nd referendum position. Far too late.

Jo Johnson apparently said that a good election manifesto is one people aren’t talking about 48 hrs later, and it seems that the Conservatives really have gone for that strategy.

Johnson had promised a manifesto for change yet of the three main parties it seems far from that. It avoids controversy for the most part, but also doesn't offer solutions to some of our biggest problems like social care. But with the Tories so ahead in the polls, the status quo and making sure they don't have a repeat of the 'dementia tax' car crash seems to be the order of the day. Because Brexit is going to going to provide a magic solution instead...

Meanwhile the Labour Party have gone completely the other way and really have gone for it and come up with ideas. With a mixed response from the public and press.

And I still can't tell you what is in the LD one, cos Prince Andrew...

This week should see the election come into focus as postal voting starts. As it stands its hard to bet on anything but a Tory majority.

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Mistigri · 27/11/2019 10:34

@DavidHenigUK on Twitter (trade wonk)

Even from these quick peeks it looks like the Government may well have lied about UK US trade talks. This is a big deal, or at least should be

Hasenstein · 27/11/2019 10:34

DGR

Re. "indefinite leaving". A German friend sent this clip as an illustration of how we're seen there:

FoldyRoll · 27/11/2019 10:35

Corbyn busy outlining 451 pages of unredacted detail of US/UK trade talks to journalists and NHS staff

thecatfromjapan · 27/11/2019 10:37

Over to Twitter, everyone.

Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall

Currently tweeting about Corbyn revealing a document outlining marketisation of NHS to USA.

ContinuityError · 27/11/2019 10:40

The year is 2192. The British Prime Minister visits Brussels to ask for an extension of the Brexit deadline. No one remembers where this tradition originated, but every year it attracts many tourists from all over the world

ContinuityError · 27/11/2019 10:42

Ohhhh ....

@lewis_goodall

Corbyn says docs reveal that US wants “total market access” and that UK officials have assured them that they can have it.

ContinuityError · 27/11/2019 10:44

Well ...

The LauraK spin:

This is all going to be furiously disputed through the day, no question ..trying to get link to the full documents so you can have a proper look - important tho Corbyn doesn't provide evidence that ministers have agreed that health service shoudl be part of a trade deal with US

ContinuityError · 27/11/2019 10:49

Full documents look to be up on Guido.

DGRossetti · 27/11/2019 10:50

The LauraK spin: []This is all going to be furiously disputed through the day, no question ..trying to get link to the full documents so you can have a proper look - important tho Corbyn doesn't provide evidence that ministers have agreed that health service shoudl be part of a trade deal with US

No dear. That's just you.

thecatfromjapan · 27/11/2019 10:54

I follow a Tory troll on Twitter. The line of defence is

  • New Labour also did privatisation
  • drugs will be cheaper hmm
  • Corbyn will damage the NHS by allowing non-EU immigration

That last 'defence' is quite revealing, methinks.

thecatfromjapan · 27/11/2019 10:56

Don't know what happened with my sceptical face being turned into a hyperlink.

thecatfromjapan · 27/11/2019 11:00

And Guido Fawkes going with the line 'this all happened under May.'

As though that means anything.

It simply means it's proof of what we knew. Johnson knee and lied.

And begs the question as to what has been promised recently.

All conclusions which are easily drawn, and questions the media are quite capable of asking.

Guido Fawkes
@GuidoFawkes

'Another important fact: these negotiations happened under May's Government, not the current one.

Once again Corbyn's stuck in the past...

order-order.com/2019/11/27/cor…'

Mistigri · 27/11/2019 11:03

I might do a cheeky AIBU.

"AIBU to be glad I don't rely on the NHS"

DGRossetti · 27/11/2019 11:03

Meanwhile, heard the one about the Irish government printer that was too big for the doors ?

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/27/irish_government_printer/

FoldyRoll · 27/11/2019 11:03

Very telling, Cat.

Also, your description of the school you taught in the other day is exactly the same as my own school days in the late 80s; crumbling, leaky buildings. Being taught while rain came in. No equipment. 20 year old, pre decimal textbooks shared between 5 or 6 of us. No school meals - we were locked out of the premises during lunch hour. And yet the Tories won comfortably in 87 & 92.

thecatfromjapan · 27/11/2019 11:06

FoldyRoll it's unutterably grim to be back there. So awful.

I really am despairing about people who will vote for this - over and over again.

Mistigri · 27/11/2019 11:19

It's not just the NHS.

It's been made clear by the US that references to greenhouse emissions are a no-go area, and the US has already offered to help with a narrative to soften people up for chlorine-washed meat.

The British public is a bunch of suckers if they vote for this (and they will vote for this).

Alsohuman · 27/11/2019 11:34

What a surprise.

Tory Fibs
@ToryFibs
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Oomph!

Boris Johnson walked into an NHS Hospital in Penzance just now. Several patients and staff gave him an absolute roasting for Tory destruction of the NHS. Now all we need the BBC to do is release the footage so voters can see.

Ellie56 · 27/11/2019 11:35

@thecatfromjapan

I agree the issues with SEND are diabolical. I have seen this first hand over the last four years while fighting for support for our son.

We've had to appeal to the Tribunal three times and each time the process has taken longer because there are more and more appeals, because more and more children and young people are not getting what they need.

It already takes about 14 weeks to get a date for a hearing. The SEND solicitors are overwhelmed with cases and the courts are now at the stage where there isn't enough time available to hear all the cases they have so many are being deferred to later dates.

And in the meantime children are either struggling at school or are out of education all together, which obviously has a knock on effect on their families.

Small wonder there is a mental health crisis as well. Sad

mrslaughan · 27/11/2019 11:35

@prettybird - I think your about 10years older than me . Yes Nz has a comprehensive public health system, but it is not as all encompassing as the NHS. I would love the uk to have a discussion about transitioning to that kind of system.
A lot of people have health insurance (specialist only) provided by employers - this games pressure off the public system for scheduled surgeries. if you earn above a certain level you pay to see your GP. Kids are always free.
So although it does have a public system - it is very different from the UK(and miles away from the US)

WeshMaGueule · 27/11/2019 11:42

@thecatfromjapan I've said this elsewhere and will no doubt say it again. My 6 yr old son is at primary in a heavily deprived area of the Paris suburbs (think where the riots were a few years back). His school has all the markers for special measures, FSM. Every single kid in his class last year had French as an additional language, he was one of just two white kids in the class. This year, the year they learn to read, his class size has been halved to twelve. If fucking Emmanuel Macron, who is hardly a screaming leftie, can do this, why can't the UK?

mrslaughan · 27/11/2019 11:51

Lots and lots and lots of countries have / are doing bad things but it is only Israel people complain about. That is what makes it anti-Semitic.

Absolute bullshit . I rail against Saudi Arabia, and many middle eastern countries and the way UK panders to them, while ignoring their atrocities. (Yemen anyone?). The reason Israel comes up in this thread is the discussion of anti-semetism.

Do you know the precarious situation being stateless leaves you in? Let alone the violence that is visited on the Palestinians daily? Did you see the video a couple weeks ago of the Palestinian walking away from Israeli soldiers with his hands in the air - only to be shot in the back?

DGRossetti · 27/11/2019 11:56

Lots and lots and lots of countries have / are doing bad things but it is only Israel people complain about. That is what makes it anti-Semitic.

Absolute bullshit

+1

Certainly on these threads, people are vocal about all and any instances of bad behaviour from any and all regimes - our own UK one in particular. If Israel is called out for something, it's because that something is bad, not because it's Israel.

Douglas Adams wasn't joking when he said mankind would eventually become so clever it would prove black is white and get itself killed on the next zebra crossing. He was prophesying.

And as for God ....

bellinisurge · 27/11/2019 11:57

And when you rightly raise these concerns to you link it to a particular religion when ascribing blame?

Mistigri · 27/11/2019 12:13

I see that the NHS leak has brought out the deflectors again Hmm

@DavidHenigUK says that

"the UK will have to make concessions to get a US trade deal. We can choose to ring fence areas like the NHS or food standards - but unlikely we can exclude both and still get a deal"

And his view is that on balance the government probably will not do a deal - but where does that leave the U.K. post-Brexit, especially post a "no trade deal" Brexit?

One of the problems seems to me to be the U.K. obsession with secrecy. (The EU is much better this regard, you generally get a lot of disclosure during discussions about new policy or deals.)