Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

@ListeningQuietly what if they are above Nordic levels?

I am not a fan of the Tories at all - I don't believe I have ever voted for them.......in fact I despise the current incarnation.

Services need to be funded - I won't argue about that.

Anyway - I am just one vote. But for labour to win, they need to persuade moderates, centrists to vote for them, I think this manifesto will scare them off.

It just shows how much we need proportional representation.

MrsLaughan
what if they are above Nordic levels?
Please stop scare mongering.

Why on earth would Labour want to pick a fight by doubling tax rates when a 5% increase would do what they need to do.

I skim read the Labour manifesto earlier and am stunned by the alarmist reaction to it. Has everyone else read a different document?

Alsohuman
The right wing press are laying into it.
Evan Davies was questioning the numbers on PM today
but at least Labour have a plan to generate revenue.

I hope that the Tory plans are called out MASSIVELY for their never never funding
but they won't be

@ListeningQuietly - I didn't realise you work in treasury?

It's not costed so you are guessing at 5%.

I am not scaremongering - I am stating what I think - just as you are. If you want only left wing views on here - maybe you should rename the thread?

But for labour to win, they need to persuade moderates, centrists to vote for them, I think this manifesto will scare them off.

mrslaughan
It is indeed not costed, but my guess of putting the rates back up to those of Margaret Thatcher is much more likely than rabble rousing about 1970s rates

all of the "we'll leave the country" brigade forget that the UK has some of the lowest taxes in the EU

Not sure what you mean by "left wing views"
I dislike governments who think that magic money trees can be used ....

Puzzled about the idea of renaming a thread. Why? How? Puzzled at the idea that only left wing views are welcomed. Not the case on the Westminstenders threads I’ve been reading for a long time now.

I shall need to read the Labour manifesto properly, but from the highlights I've seen, there's nothing in there to scare me off from a tax perspective.

And (until this Brexshit nonsense started) I've never been called a lefty. Not that I'm a righty (?) either. Whatevs.

£82.9 billion worth of tax rises is the figure Labour itself admits to - and that’s just to fund increased annual spending, without covering one penny of the cost of the nationalisations. This is a full-on socialist manifesto, which some might like, but it’s no moderate document:

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/21/businesses-criticise-labours-command-and-control-manifesto-policies

Labour said in its manifesto that it would increase investment spending using £400bn of borrowed funds and increase day-to-day spending following tax rises on corporations and higher earners.

What was that about “never never funding”? Masses of it in this manifesto.

Random 😂

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I've been discovering, as I wander about the place talking politics with people (well, if you never talk with anyone you disagree with it's a boring outlook, right?) that it seems to be very possible to hold right-wing views but not to support Brexit.

More than one person has said words to the effect "I never thought I'd say this, but I'm thinking of voting Labour. They seem to be the best chance of stopping Brexit."

As I said before, it'll have less of an economic impact than Brexit.

So ... bring it on.

That Tory manifesto just about sums up Bozo and the rest of the Tory tossers .

Meanwhile ... the Conservatives are fighting this GE with the tactics of a Trump-style, race-to-the-bottom culture war.

Labour/Lib Dems/Greens/SNP and the Conservatives are like two completely different animals.

We're all going to be the poorer if someone doesn't make the Conservatives stop this. ☹️

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I'm hoping it's the longest suicide note in history a la Gerald Kaufman

Awww bless them nothing sweeter than right wing froth on my cappuccino of manifesto joy

MrsL

I was talking about corporation tax, rather than personal income tax. The only way to get megacorps to pay their dues is to face them down as a large united trading bloc, with whom they can't afford not to do business.

I take your point about individual high earners being pissed off at paying more tax, but as others have pointed out above, they do pretty well here as it is. If we're talking about the employers moving to Europe, then yes, their staff might follow, but they wouldn't necessarily be paying less income tax in the new country to which they relocate.

fighting this GE with the tactics of a Trump-style, race-to-the-bottom culture war. Did you watch the launch of the manifesto? Chants and booing journalists. Appalling

Tories ban the Mirror from Boris Johnson's general election battle bus

Criticise BJ and get banned

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tories-ban-mirror-boris-johnsons-20924386.amp?

EXCLUSIVE: For the first time ever the Mirror was excluded from the Conservative Party's campaign coach

• with senior aides blaming criticism of the Prime Minister

What is appalling - OFFICIAL Tory dirty tricks

The Tories have faked videos of both Labour's Keir Starmer and Jess Philips

They renamed their press office Twitter account to "factcheckUK"
to mislead people and used it to endorse BJ

They have set up a fake Labour manifesto website and paid Google so that their fake is the top result

Booing politicians has happened since politics began

Deliberately faking stuff to frame Labour - that's a rightwing tradition that goes back to the infamous Zinoviev letter of the 1920s

I take it you didnt see Corbyn to stop and that all journalists would be heard with respect? Did they ban any journalists derxa?