Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

@bellinisurge, no one is forcing you to vote for Corbyn. What you do in the privacy of the ballot box is your privilege and right.

Sometimes it's down to the least worst option. We can't just say "none of the above" as a nation and hope for the best. Someone has to occupy No. 10.

Corbyn isn't the problem. The media which are allowed free rein to demonise him without oversight are.

I think this may account for some of the dislike - but certainly all. I know a number of really well informed voters that read far and wide - the would be as informed, if not more so than many on this thread. They would happily vote left of center. But they don't trust him - well it's not just him, it's him and his "team". I know I will get shouted down about that, but that's in my experience. I very much doubt the manifesto will have changed thy opinion.

So while you blame the media - his appeal is niche - if he gets a working a majority, it won't be because of him, it will be more to do with people voting against the tories and brexit.

"Pattern of poor judgement" have look at Mo Mowlam.....

No question who the terrorists were in the Apartheid RSA.

Completely agree with you (much of my formative professional years were spent in newly post apartheid South Africa). But members of the ANC's military wing were considered terrorists by many western politicians, including some (Cameron's generation) who are younger than me. And the way things are going I wouldn't rule out a rewriting of history, in the same way that the history of the GFA is getting some serious revisionist attention from both sides right now.

You can say Labour . I can say none of the above. I'm not stopping you but there is a weird concerted effort on here to "stop" me. Probably the kind of "understanding" of people's viewpoint that had the majority running to Leave away from being told what they should be thinking.
I'm getting a bit bored of being told what to think by Corbyn lovers.

12.8 million votes is niche

Corbyn isn't the problem. The media which are allowed free rein to demonise him without oversight are.

I think this may account for some of the dislike - but certainly NOT all

Sorry - not dropped out of my original post

@GhostofFrankGrimes
Just as people vote for a donkey in a blue rosette, the same can be said about a red rosette.

There are plenty of labour supporters who vote for labour despite of him. It's disingenuous to say otherwise.

The reality is that even if you would prefer "no overall control" to be the winner, the occupant of No 10 will be either Johnson or Corbyn. The only thing that could prevent that is them not being returned as MPs or developing a sudden health problem.

It's perfectly fine to say that given such an awful choice, you'd prefer Johnson. I don't understand why it's so hard to be honest about it.

I won't vote Tory. Is that honest enough for you?
I will not enable the Tories and Brexit.
I will not enable Corbyn.
I will not enable the destruction of greenbelt in my constituency.
I will not enable Self-ID.

I'm getting a bit bored of being told what to think by Corbyn lovers

Nobody’s telling you what to think and nobody who’s argued with you, with perhaps one exception, has any particular love of Corbyn. He’s the least worst option as far as I’m concerned so I’ll vote Labour as it’s also the best chance of ousting the Tory here. Do what you want but I can’t respect anyone who wastes their vote in this election.

Hmm, but Ghost I very much doubt those millions of people all voted FOR Corbyn; many will have voted Labour in spite of rather than because of. In FPTP if you don’t want Tory you pretty much have to vote Labour in most seats. I think his popularity has decreased since 2017 even among members. Nonetheless this is such a crucial election for the future of our country so under FPTP he might still do well (I fervently hope he does). I don’t think that will be an unequivocal endorsement of JC though!

They would happily vote left of center. But they don't trust him - well it's not just him, it's him and his "team" I agree mrs. When I listen to the likes of Laura Pidcock and Rebecca Long-Bailey they don't inspire confidence. So many good people missing in the Shadow Cabinet. Similar on the Govt bench but their shark like ruthlessness gives them a tiny edge over inexperience.

Sorry if this has already been talked about. I've been out all day. Just adding this here - incase anyone's missed it. More BBCbias.

twitter.com/JonJonesSnr/status/1198356064573566977

"Do what you want but I can’t respect anyone who wastes their vote in this election."
The respect just shining through there 😂😂😂

I'm not really looking for endorsements anything that stops a Tory majority is good with me!

I'm with you derxa except that I don't value experience of being incompetent as being valuable.

I'm very keen for there to be a hung parliament precisely because there is a lot of incompetence on the front benches.

Given a straight choice between a Tory minority government over a majority Labour government I might actually prefer the former (and I'm a former labour voter) - but obviously a Labour majority is unicorn territory at this point.

100% with you on that

I would also prefer a hung parliament. Then none of them can do the fake "going against what they were elected to do" schtick that seems to have worked up to now.
Eventually, proper parliamentary reform so that FPTP dies a death.

Quite right @bellinisurge, I don’t respect you in the least and haven’t pretended to.

Thanks . I wonder why so many people were driven to vote Leave ...

Is this the same Alsohuman that thinks there is no private emergency care. Glad you are up to speed on everything 😂😂😂😂

@bellinisurge - I understand you conundrum.
I haven't decided how I will vote..... but I am in David Gauke's electorate where he is running as an independent. I have never voted for him before, but he gives me an alternative I am slightly more comfortable voting for.

Did anyone see/read the interview where Nick Boles talked about how the had been investigating forming a centrist party, but decided it wasn't viable or the right time? I found that interesting...... he didn't say why. Maybe because with all the defections it got too confusing?

Is this the same Alsohuman that thinks there is no private emergency care. Glad you are up to speed on everything

Yes, it is. In the 20 years I worked in the NHS there wasn’t any. I’d be genuinely interested if you can present any evidence to the contrary.

I would also prefer a hung parliament.

A hung parliament most likely puts Corbyn in number 10, unless the Tories are only a few short of an overall majority in which case I would guess we will end up with a short-lived Tory minority govt followed by another election.

I bet you can't wait to do this all over again next March