Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

Mistigri OOOH ! Thankyou - am reading ...

Would Sturgeon do a deal with Johnson in return for Indyref 2?

She had explicitly said on numerous occasions that she won't.

Over the years this thread has hardly been a Corbyn love in.
There are obviously a couple of exceptions to this but in main it seems to me that most posters feel a moderate degree of despair about the choices they have to make.
But making no choice doesn't seem to me like the best option because that hands victory to the worst choice of all a hard Brexit and a hard right government.

Like Cooper. Like Benn. For a start.

They weren't elected leader, you'll just have to accept that. Labour members favoured Corbyn. Thats their call. There is no guarntee Cooper/Benn would win a GE either, even if you personally would support them.

Or are you saying you know better than people who voted Leave and/or Tory?

Leavers? Yes, because I look at the projected economic damage. Leavers generally seem to think otherwise.

Tories? I have no idea why ordinary people would vote for wage stagnation, reduced workers rights and NHS sell offs. It remains one of lifes mysteries.

Remain didn't win. You have to accept that. Corbyn didn't win. You have to accept that.

DGR: read that LSE article. There are legitimate criticisms of polling, many of which stem from the fact that no one really wants to pay enough money to do them properly.

Maybe all the polls are significantly out, and maybe all of them are wrong in the same direction - but how likely do you think that is?

Change Corbyn, and the next leader will face the same media.

Yes, and what people won't acknowledge is that great unifying figure Blair had Murdoch's support.

So what? Murdoch is a twat that backed w winner.

Like Cooper. Like Benn. For a start.

The majority of the Labour party members have no appetite for the neo-liberal wing of the PLP, although I encourage you to join the Labour party so as to have a voice in the next leadership election, no matter the outcome of this GE

I agree Misti I am 1 of the leftiest of posters, although I do have ghost here who is much more reasoned than me and less prone to outbursts, but Corbyn isnt free from criticism even from me when I feel its deserved and not just parroting an often repeated view which may or may not be true.

Squid and can I also repeat that without people like you doing the work that you do our beloved NHS would have died years ago and its beyond time that our medical profession was de politicised and given a louder voice

Remain didn't win. You have to accept that.

A referendum mired in allegations of foreign interference. Democracy didn't end in June 2016. You sound like a leave voter. Even they've largely given up on the "you lost, get over it".

Some if us live in Tory seats.......

Some of us live in marginal seats........

We need to make our vote count. We don't have the luxury of spoiling our ballot.

If we do, the Tories win and we have no deal at the end of next year.

The NO deal which will cause problems in Norhtern Ireland.

The No Deal that will kill Jews, muslims, Christian's and any other poor sod who cannot get hold of like saving medicines.

It will be children, parents, family and friends.

So I will go and vote for a party I no longer support and hopefully enough other people in my constituency do the same thing. I know the odds are stacked against us but I need to try.

Brexit aside I don't think this country can manage another 5 years of a Tory govt.

If Labour and other opposition parties get enough votes to get a referendum then let's see how many of us still want Brexit.

If there is any chance we can stop this really damaging Tory Brexit or No Deal Brexit we need to try.

*life saving

@squid4. I hear you.

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a Corbyn lover. If I could pick anyone, it would probably be Sturgeon as the best of the bunch (sadly, I reside in England).

Having said that, I am in a safe Labour seat, so I can vote how I want, safe in the knowledge it won't change the outcome one iota. The Monster Raving Looney Party looks very tempting....

But Parliament triggered article 50 after the stupid referendum. Once that happened, any arguments about a fucked up referendum fall away.
As for "you sound like a Leave voter". Don't be a silly child.

Don't be a silly child.

ok boomer

So what? Murdoch is a twat that backed w winner.

It shows the power of media and how politicans can be perceived. I'm glad Corbyn hasn't posed with a copy of the hate filled rag. When other leaders queue up for a photo op.

Parliament can revoke article 50. Triggering it did not legitimise anything it was a naked personal power grab by May.

I'm just posting this link again. It's from 2017

I suspect like me lots of people hadn't read this article.

There are some scary insights into Cummings strategy. There are loads of parallels for today with how last minute manipulation works in the final weeks before a vote.

Cummings reckoned that in the final the crucial weeks he used Boris as leverage with the BBC to keep Farage off. And that the strategy in the final weeks was worth 600,000 vital middle class votes.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/dominic-cummings-brexit-referendum-won/

@Random18 , if you have someone to vote for, go ahead. I would vote Labour if if I felt the Brexshit Party were a genuine challenge in my constituency. At present, they don't look like it.
I'm not fucking privileged. For fuck's sake.
No wonder people are driven away by the "up it's own arse-ness " of this thread.

"I've been saying in the Brexit Arms that not all Westminsterenders are Corbyn lovers. Turns out, I was wrong."

Bellini You know that's untrue

I understand that for you anti-semitism is the show-stopper issue and of course you have the right not to vote.
However, that's no justification for claiming those who prioritise stopping a hard Brexit, hard right Tory govt are "Corbyn -lovers"

Except for poster and about 2 other more occasional posters, there are no Corbyn fans here

• have you missed the 95% of posts criticising him for not doing more to prevent this Brexshit ?

It's Element's "hair on fire" GE, so we recommend a vote against those who will pour on the petrol

The rest of us are NOT specifically advocating a Labour vote,
just a vote for whichever Remainer candidate has the best chance of defeating this hard right Tory Brexit party and helping get a hung Parliament

So e.g. we're specifically recommending vote LDem or SNP or Plaid where they might have a better chance than Labour,
or where the Labour candidate say they are still a Leaver.

Don't be a silly child.

I'm not planning scrawl over my ballot paper with crayons.

Wow, my second "ok boomer". Really pushing the boat out.
Technically, I'm a gen x-er but, go ahead.

@GhostofFrankGrimes neither am I.

Of course not voting doesn't make you a Tory or a Leave voter

Your vote, your choice whether to use it.

Brexshit Party were a genuine challenge in my constituency.

The Tories are the Brexit party. That's why the BP aren't contesting Tory seats.