Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

I'm shocked that Labour Leace areas would vote Tory just to get their precious Brexit. The areas have been hammered by austerity and they're baring their arses to Johnson for more?

I don't disagree with you. But trade changes. Iirc, 60% of Ireland's trade used to be with the UK. Now it's 11%.

Much of Scotland's resources are "International": whisky, oil, software, tourism, agriculture, food, fishing, forestry, higher education sector, biotech, call centres, financial sector - many of which are attractive to the EU and some of which don't need to go through England.

There are major costs involved, especially if FUKD insists on staying in splendid isolation, such as redeveloping the ports in Rosyth, Leith, Greenock, Stranraer in order to avoid England. But that's also an opportunity.

There's also a deep water port in Faslane that might be looking for an alternative use

@MaxNormal Successfully voting Brexit was one of the few times that this group of voters has managed to defeat the establishment.
It doesn't really matter that they were voting for more damage to their own economic status in the process.
They don't want to lose this success and feeling of power.

Prettybird - I'm completely agnostic on Scottish independence (it's up to Scottish people).

But in many respects the choice will be the same as for the U.K. with brexit: you will have to choose between being integrated with the large market on your doorstop, or prioritising more distant markets from which you are separated geographically.

In the last election in this constituency even the night before the polls were predicting a con hold. In the event it was a Lib Dem gain with a 10000 majority. They had not taken account of what we saw on the ground, a massive turnout of motivated young voters.

I would be sorry to see the UK broken if Scotland voted for independence, but I can't say I'd blame them. I wonder if NI would follow suit, though.

Yes, I think there are a lot of people missing from these polls and their voice won't be heard until the actual polling day. That's not to say it couldn't happen, just that I don't believe the polls are properly representative.

MaxMormal I'm shocked too.

It's insane.

I work in schools - 'austerity' is devastating.

Likewise NHS, homelessness, mental health services, youth services, elderly care ...

And the things that haven't happened - the investment to move us forwards, never mind the cutting back on what we have ...

I actually cannot fathom why areas such as Grimsby would vote Tory.

It's heart-breaking.

Here in London, I sense the urgency of this GE is getting through.

I really am getting Conservatives saying they can't vote for Johnson's crew, and voters who say they are voting Labour (I'm canvassing in Lab-Con marginals only) for the first time.

But ... that's London. 🤷‍♀️

I really do think we could see a complete geographical change electorally...
South and south east going red and north going blue.
Not something I thought I'd ever see as someone born in the 70s!

Being born in the 70's if you told me that Glasgow would cease to be Labour (as well as the rest of Scotland) I couldn't have believed it.

thecat
I know Londoners who are mega high earners in very expensive houses who send their kids to naice private schools
who for the first time in their lives are going to vote against the Tories
and they will definitely vote

It would be interesting if the Tories were largely wiped out in London - what mandate would they then have
bearing in mind that London generates the vast bulk of tax income.

Two words to explain why people aren't voting Labour - Jeremy Corbyn. He's a Marmite politician and Labour don't win with Marmite.

It would be interesting if the Tories were largely wiped out in London - what mandate would they then have bearing in mind that London generates the vast bulk of tax income.

Once again, age showing, but the GLC used to put up sodding huge banners up across from the Houses of Parliament in the 80s with the number of unemployed updated monthly. MPs had to see it every time they looked over the Thames

DGR
I remember them - back when the South Bank was NOT somewhere nice to spend a day !!

Bellini
Corbyn is marmite
but he is less likely to trash the country than Johnson
therefore his party will get my tactical vote

Mine too

A problem in Lindon is that, in some constituencies, there is a lack of clarity for the tactical vote.

Grimly, the anti-Conservative vote is the majority - but it's split. And that may well allow a really mediocre, pro-Brexit Conservative win.

That's awful. And a lot of people will be devastated.

I remember them - back when the South Bank was NOT somewhere nice to spend a day !!

If you want to talk about cultural divides, remember I grew up in Harrow. Sarf Lundun (Or Sithe Lundon) may as well have been on the moon.

That said, exiled on Broad Street, the one singular feature by omission in Brum, is a river doesn't run through it. Might explain why I felt more at home after 5 minutes in Liverpool than 5 years in Brum .

You know when a topic suddenly calls out for a lyric ?

You could be in Palestine,
Overrun by the Chinese line,
With the boys from the Mersey and the Thames and the Tyne

Is everyone aware that if they vote LD they are voting for the Tory party?

I'm not sure they are.

Are the LDs keeping that quiet. It came out a few days ago but I wonder if they've realised it may put some voters off.

I think this needs to be shouted loud and clear.

Is everyone aware that if they vote LD they are voting for the Tory party?
Please explain why you say that ?

DGR, I used to go over that Bridge n the bus every day coming home from work. It always cheered me up to know that there were people fighting those bastards so publically. Sadly, Thatcher disbanded the GLC, and I do sometimes wonder how much a part of her decision was that constant public shaming.

I've been thinking about JC's stance on Brexit, and I think it's like the Real Men Don't Eat Quiche vs Real Men Do Eat Quiche, that little debate dates from about the same time.

JC eats quiche.
BJ doesn't eat quiche.

What does JS eat? Perhaps she picks the tomato slices off the top?

No JC eats Caesar salad.

Dusty In some ways, I see what you're saying, but my constituency has never voted Labour and never will, but has voted LD twice pre coalition. Now it's back to hard core Tory. Even the tactical voting site told me it wouldn't matter who i voted for as it was a Tory stronghold, but I'm voting LD in the faintest of hopes no hope that LD's take it back or at least reduce votes for the Tory incumbent.

Please explain why you say that ?

Because of this interview with Andrew Neil

A less partisan source would probably better but was the nearest at hand sorry Listening

evolvepolitics.com/watch-lib-dem-deputy-leader-confirms-theyre-planning-to-prop-up-the-tories-over-labour-video/

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=PUf3xqsWam4&feature=emb_logo

OK. I"m sorry if I"ve got this wrong.

What I meant was - Jo Swinson and other members of her party have made it crystal clear that they will never form a coalition with Labour - but will with the Conservatives.

The latter is their aim now. They will make a bargain with BJ and agree to join with him (if he has a minority) so long as they allow a second referendum.

This was all said on Newsnight on Thursday with Emily Maitlis. It was JS herself who said it very clearly and openly. I"m not sure if it's been announced so clearly anywhere else?

Also - have I got that bit right about the second referendum? I am relying on my memory. I"m sure that it wasn't that they'd get BJ to agree to revoke ... please correct me if I'm wrong.