Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

I think this is it.

A coalition is different from C&S?

What anyone will do, or won't do can't be known until dec 13th

Justanother
OK, that is a car crash of an interview
but I do not see how a vote for the LibDems is a vote for the Tories.

This election is turning into 650 by elections each being fought on a mixture of local issues and tactical voting.

Jo Swinson was elected the leader out of an incredibly small gene pool. Ed Davey came second.
If the LibDems do well at the election, the gene pool will widen and then the stance taken by their MPs will have to reflect who is sitting on the benches.

A vote for the Libdems where it results in a Tory losing their seat cannot be construed as a vote for Boris.

"We would vote issue by issue with who ever is in a minority government"

This is what was said.
This isn't the same as going into government with another party.

Dusty
I find Jo very irritating to listen to.
At what time in that interview does she say she'll go into a coalition with the Tories?
Ed Davey certainly did not say it. He said a vote by vote agreement ....

I'm not sure how feasible this approach is but it isn't joining a government as a minority partner.

A coalition is different from C&S?

Completely different.

There are essentially three ways a minority government can govern.

1. Enter a formal coalition - in this case the junior partner gets government posts and participates in the policy making process.

1. Agree confidence and supply with one or more minor parties, who agree to vote with the govt but do not take ministerial posts or make policy.

1. A minority administration which relies on some independents or minor parties voting with the govt on an ad hoc basis.

If the Tories just miss out on an overall majority, but Lab can't form a govt, you'd probably see (3) and most likely another election in the new year.

Fuck - a long reply about why Scottish Indy is not the same as Brexit because we would have our own sovereignty within the EU whereas at the moment we are just ignored and overridden by WM got eaten by MN

Can't be bothered typing it again as I've said it all before.

as I said on the last thread, my mum is a true blue Tory in a true blue rural constituency. She's voting green this time round.

The SNP has completed a full Holyrood term as a minority government and is currently more than half way through another term as a minority government #justsaying

Splendid. I’ve just watched a clip on the news where a mother in Bristol was visiting the local foodbank. She’s voting for ‘Boris’. Not the Conservative party - Boris. Because he ‘stands up for what he believes in’. I despair. We are utterly screwed.

Apologies if this has already been mentioned; I’m still catching up.

I think the BBC are going to have some questions to answer if we do get a different shade of government

twitter.com/i/status/1198261302898176000

Justanother
That is indeed disgraceful.
But sadly editing footage to alter the reality is exactly what Sacha Baron-Cohen was talking about in his speech.
The BBC are terrified that the Tory party will shaft them after the election because of the OAP licences
and it is affecting their reporting.

Why are a handful of voters annoyed that Jeremy Corbyn will remain (no pun intended) neutral when it comes to a vote?

And why aren't they annoyed at the Johnson 'oven ready' deal that is WAY past its sell by date.

The BBC are terrified that the Tory party will shaft them after the election because of the OAP licences

Labour have promised to keep the free OAP licence, thought Id sneak that in first

I dont think it helps how the top of the beeb has become a bit of a revolving door to those who have been 'friendly' to the ruling party its about time it was independently run with its original remit of being first of all accurate and secondly balanced

Have to admit, I did wonder if by voting LD, I was voting in another Tory/LD coalition and whether to write to Jo Swinson asking her to promise that the LD's would never enter into another coalition pact with the Tories.

I liked our previous LD MP (prior to the coalition govt), but when I looked at her voting record under the coalition, there was absolutely no way to tell her apart from a Tory. She had voted on every single issue as though she was a Tory. So couldn't vote for her again. Sigh. But as previously stated, Labour will never win here, so doesn't seem to be any other option.

BBC will get shafted by Tories regardless (if polls are right and they get in with majority). Their card was marked when BoJo was seen exiting the townhouse of 'Andrew Griffith’s lavish house in Westminster'. Sky/Murdoch hate the BBC and have campaigned endlessly to stop the licence fee.

Blackbird
Under the coalition agreement, the LibDems had no choice but to support the Tory government as they were part of it

its toxic legacy ensures they will not go into another coalition under FPTP

There has been two Confidence and Supply agreements

Jim Callaghan Lab/Lib

Theresa May Con/DUP

Listening, yes true, but it wasn't what I voted for, when I voted for them. Perhaps I should have paid more attention to what Nick Clegg was saying ahead of the election. I really really hope that they would've learned their lesson from that experience and the free fall in the subsequent loss of votes. In fact, I'm wondering about voting Labour for the first time ever now given that LD's are just about equally as electable as Labour. And I don't even like JC and my oh so tenuous hanging on by a thread business might go bust with a £10/min wage.

Sadly, Thatcher disbanded the GLC

but what a farewell party oh me, oh my . Say what you want about our Ken, but boy, could he throw a party.

I might dig out my copy of The Comic Strip's "GLC". Robbie Coltrane is Charles Bronson playing Ken Livingstone. Was Dawn French Meryl Streep playing Joan Ruddock ?

And of course John Sessions in the amazing "Napoleon: The American Story" with Robert "Bobby" De Niro discovering panto.

Fuck, these threads have made me old. Things were so much better in the 80s.

or prioritising more distant markets from which you are separated geographically.

Come on though - how far is Scotland from Sweden or Germany really?

This is not like the Brexiters deciding that trade with nations 3,000 or 10,000 miles away is much more important than ones of which the nearest is a one hour channel crossing away.

I’ve lived in South Cambridgeshire for twenty years and for the first time that I remember I have just has a Tory canvasser at my door. Maybe they are worried that the seat is going to do what Heidi Allen did and turn LD

I live in the next door constituency, where Tory votes are weighed. Word here is that Remainer South Cambs is highly likely to turn LibDem. Our MP is actively canvassing personally for the first time ever. They’re frit, even in Tory heartland.

Sky/Murdoch hate the BBC

Murdoch sold his stake in Sky in 2018

We would have had a clearer view on the Leave/Remain question but for some it was used as a proxy referendum on the popularity of the Tory party

And yet, the bulk of people who voted Leave will vote Tory. Amazing (depressingly predictably) how this has been spun for Leave voters.