Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

You are not our Masters and it's time the Tory voters remembered that.

I presume you live in Scotland. Well, If you want to secede unilaterally, then secede. But if you’re in the UK and the UK elects a government opposed to another IndyRef, then that’s democracy, no?

Interesting...I think Sturgeon intimated last night she’d consider supporting Labour for the promise of Indyref2.

A canny move would be to create a piece of legislation that sets up a framework for any and all future referendums on independence that raise them above the fray. Of course any legislation can be repealed, but it would be a bold imaginative mood that might just catch ? It would absolve (presumably) Corbyn of direct accusations of giving in to the SNP, and put the onus on the Tories to defend their distaste for democracy.

That idea (deferred/latent legislation) might actually be a solution to a lot of problems at the moment. But I have to admit, if I want boldness, imagination and a confidence in the future, I'll rewatch Star Trek not the parliament channel.

The Economist has been doing choosing a constituency each week and polling it. This week it was Grimbsy, true labour for 74 years. Their poll had the Tories 13points ahead. That is pretty bad news for labour.

If safe tory seats swap to Lib Dem and safe labour swap to Tory who knows what it means for a tory majority. It doesn't look great for labour.

It would absolve (presumably) Corbyn of direct accusations of giving in to the SNP

Are you serious? No, it would just be yet another way for the bearded invertebrate to avoid having to take yet another big decision by remaining “neutral”.

I’ve lived in South Cambridgeshire for twenty years and for the first time that I remember I have just has a Tory canvasser at my door. Maybe they are worried that the seat is going to do what Heidi Allen did and turn LD.

“I trust we can we count on your support?” “You certainly cannot.” End of conversation - he probably had already assumed what my objection might be.

Rather 'Socialism' i.e. Social Democracy under Corbyn than Fascism under Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Priti Patel and all the other horrors in his Government.

Are you serious? No, it would just be yet another way for the bearded invertebrate to avoid having to take yet another big decision by remaining “neutral”.

You didn't really understand it, did you ?

Oh, I understood very well what it’s meant to do, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested it.

Oh, I understood very well what it’s meant to do, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested it

whatever.

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Interesting looking at the data tables

www.survation.com/survation-on-behalf-of-good-morning-britain-general-election-tracker-poll-week-1/

1/4 of women and nearly 40% of young people in that poll haven't made their minds up yet. Compared to 10% of men and about 10% of over 55 year olds who are still undecided.

Sturgeon needs a soft Brexit (or no Brexit) to make an Indy Scotland viable, otherwise she has an "Irish border" type problem: she has to choose between a hard border with the EU or a hard border with rUK.

So it makes absolute sense for her to seek an arrangement with Labour, especially if Labour looks to be tracking towards a soft (single market) Brexit.

@JustAnotherPoster00 that's hilarious!😂 Shit indeed.

chomalungma
Survation say they are doing telephone polls.
Presumably they are using landlines so that they know where they are calling.
whoops
Most young renters no longer have landlines
so those data samples are missing out quite a big cohort
young, renting, students, angry, no fixed abode, indebted

OK, double checked, mix of mobile and landline

• mobile - you have no proof of where they are and where they will vote
• landline - misses out millennials

Oh, I understood very well what it’s meant to do, otherwise you wouldn’t have suggested it

If Cameron had remained neutral, would he have remained Prime Minister for longer after the referendum?

If Cameron had remained neutral

We would have had a clearer view on the Leave/Remain question but for some it was used as a proxy referendum on the popularity of the Tory party

Not familiar with reading polling data tables, but it also looks as though their sample was skewed to older participants so they have had to weight the responses to correct for this. In the 18-24 grouping they had 67 responses and weighted that to make it 112 whereas for the 55-64 age group had 246 responses but they only needed 152. I’m sure they have clever ways to do this, but is there not a danger that the results are less accurate for younger people as they are having to extrapolate from a smaller sample?

n the 18-24 grouping they had 67 responses and weighted that to make it 112

Basing anything on 67 responses isn't that good, really...

Remainers To Back Labour Despite Doubts Over Cost Of 'Dream' Manifesto

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/corbyn-labour-manifesto-election-voters-focus-group-uxbridge-lib-dems_uk_5dd811a2e4b0913e6f6bbb33?utm_hp_ref=uk-politics&ncid=tweetlnkukhpmg00000008

Mistigri - while I don't disagree with you that a land border within Britain - especially with a country outwith the EU - is not ideal and makes things more complicated, it is nowhere near the complexity (and recent violent history) of the NI-Ireland border.

For a start, the border has been in place for hundreds of years (except for the maritime "border" which for some strange reason was moved northwards between 1987 and 1999), legally established in 1237 (although for a few centuries the Border Reivers caused cross-border problems ) and is not the artificial construct that is the border on the island of Ireland, created in the early 20th century. The Scottish border is 154km long with only 21 road crossings and 2 rail crossings - in contrast to the 499km and the hundreds of of border crossings between Ireland and NI.

Yes, hopefully someone who knows more about stats/interpreting poll tables can check it! There were also more male responses so it also had to be weighted to correct for that if I’m reading correctly.

The Scottish border is 154km long with only 21 road crossings and 2 rail crossings - in contrast to the 499km and the hundreds of of border crossings between Ireland and NI.

Sure. But you will still have to choose who to have a hard border with. From memory about 80-85% of Scotland's trade is with the rUK.