Westministenders: Promises, promises

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We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

It's like a page straight out Theresa May's campaign handbook....

Hmm it struck me as Trumpish. Tearing up of the rules. Not bothered about appearing Presidential/prime ministerial

Contempt for the establishment

Contempt for procedure

Very late to the party placemark.

What time is the great debate on?

My google search tells me it's 8.00pm ITV.

Looking forward to it. but would much better know the outcome of The Good Place

Re Yougov
I got the double level poll and told the truth
I will vote for my local candidate but do not support the party leader so I am both a
"vote for the sitting MP"
and a
"don't know"
My MP is now very openly pro EU and anti Brexit now which is a huge relief

Eyewitness statements from the Ebenezer Azamati case here.

www.oxfordstudent.com/2019/10/27/blind-man-dragged-from-union-debate-chamber-by-staff/

Well people at work today are convinced Corbyn is going to wipe the floor with Johnson. Fingers crossed...

Here's a curveball in a secular society.

What impact - if any - will the Christmas message (which will be well underway by December 12th) have on voting intentions, and the campaign in general.

Verily, I ask, What Would Jesus Do?

Lest we forget.

A summary of it here.

www.the-tls.co.uk/seeing-boris-johnson/

I predict an oven ready debate full of points about getting Brexit done and not much substance.

Jesus would look after the poor and the sick, so He wouldn't vote for the Tories.

And gas mark 4 is a slow long bake for something of not a lot of substance.

My thoughts for what they are worth, please correct me as well as I genuinely want to know if I've misunderstood, are:

• Brexit will most likely mean recession, most experts/leaders of industry are saying this as far as I can tell, historically the way out of recession is investing in things like road, rail, re-training workforce etc
• investing means borrowing/spending, tax hikes at some point to pay for it all, this is likely to be 5yrs down the line, so potentially one for the next govmt to tackle
• so in very simple terms, vote for whoever's is going to spend the most investing in services etc as this could lessen the impact of Brexit

I know it's more complicated than this but have I at least got the very basics?

Labour's problem...

The argument seems to be a vote for Corbyn is a vote to go back to the 70s. But this is of course bullshirt and can never happen in today's economy.

I'm not sure about there being a recession like there was over a decade ago, because that was a global melt down.

But certainly Old Blighty could certainly be standing in the wings, always the non players in the recession, desperately trying to forge new deals, whilst their former partners take all the plaudits and awards in terms of a booming economy.

TheCaddy it is a bit more complicated unfortunately. Big infrastructure investments require skills and the U.K. will need to import a lot of those. If the government pours money into the economy without actually building anything or improving productivity, you are on the start of a path that leads to Zimbabwe or Venezuela.

That sounds like I'm saying a vote for Corbyn is a vote for Venzuela. Actually I think the danger of that is greater with Johnson.

Mistigirl - is this why Labour are saying free university? To encourage students to get qualified and plug the gaps in the skills market?

I was thinking about playing a drinking game during the debate - take a drink every time Johnson says “get Brexit done”, “dither and delay”, “one nation conservatives” or mentions Marxism, but I figured I’d get hammered (and it’s a school night).

is this why Labour are saying free university?

No - they are saying that because it's popular with young people, and young people are natural labour voters.

It's actually quite a regressive policy economically because much of the benefit goes to the children of wealthy families and the highest future earners.

I'm not against free education - just saying that if Labour were serious about improving social mobility and targeting public spending at the lowest earners, then it would not be prioritising making HE free.

take a drink every time Johnson says get Brexit done

Jesus would look after the poor and the sick, so He wouldn't vote for the Tories.

I cannot comprehend Christians voting for the Tories. Only Christians in name only.

they are saying that because it's popular with young people, and young people are natural labour voters.
Except that the students I hear from see right through it.

They have no great issue with a graduate tax
for that is what tuition fees really are
they have a huge issue with 6% being charged on loans before they even graduate

and they have a MASSIVE issue with the standard and cost of University accommodation

• rooms that were built in the 70's and have barely been updated since being rented out at twenty times what they were rented out originally

market forces my arse its profiteering by Universities THAT is what annoys students far more than a notional debt that will be written off.