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Westministenders: Promises, promises

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2019 17:46

We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

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ArseDarkly · 18/11/2019 22:42

The media are also failing in their duty by giving Johnson an easy ride over the Russia dossier and the Arcuri allegations. Where is the outrage over the suppression of the document? Where is the pressure on the IOPC to publish their findings? It blows up for 5 minutes and then gets left aside again.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 22:44

"talked to senior BBC executives, and they tell me they personally think it’s wrong to expose lies told by a British prime minister because it undermines trust in British politics"

A complete failure of journalism and public service news
Shameful cowardice

That's not being a public service broadcaster: it's being a govt mouthpiece Angry

I'd say the same whether Tory, Labour, LDem or some new party from our dreams

It is the duty of responsible journalists to inform us - barring of course a genuine national security issue - if our govt is lying

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ArseDarkly · 18/11/2019 22:44

Lord farage???????

Think he's blown that one Hooo Grin

SwedishEdith · 18/11/2019 22:46

And after idly wondering where Hunt had gone, and if he was even still standing, he turns up on Newsnight!

ContinuityError · 18/11/2019 23:04

Isn’t Raab the de facto deputy PM?

Thanksgiving2019 · 18/11/2019 23:30

Thanks for the answers - I don’t fancy the idea of Raab, JRM or Gove :( all are horrendous.

But interesting times ahead.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 18/11/2019 23:33

An updated local (county wide) voting intentions poll - in the last day or so, labour have overtaken the LibDems. Labour have now gone from 19% to 47%. Cons dropped from 23% to 16%, which doesn’t stack up at all with what the nationwide polls are suggesting. Wink

The two biggest cities usually go Labour, although one is usually neck and neck with LibDems, and the other has had a strong Brexit party showing recently. Rural areas usually go conservative, despite Stephen Barclay being a candidate Hmm

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Dusty01 · 18/11/2019 23:34

I wish I could have recorded the interview with Hunt on Newsnight this evening. It started off with Hong Kong. Hunt was talking about why the UK would not get involved and they then moved onto the subject of democracy. This is the bit I would like to have recorded - but I'm not technically savvy enough.

Emily Maitlis asked him very beautifully if perhaps the UK couldn't get involved with Hong Kong because we could no longer really call ourselves a democracy anymore. She went into quite a bit of detail -and it was brave and challenging questioning, I thought. Hunt answered her boldly whilst also looking pretty uncomfortable.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 23:38

"Isn’t Raab the de facto deputy PM?"

He was supposed to be, when first appointed
However, he is very dim, has only limited political support and would greatly struggle as PM - the 3 reasons why BJ chose him !

So I have read reports that the not quite as dim JRM has been calling the shots and would probably take over if BJ were run over by his own bus

Still, we are all just reading the tea leaves

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BigChocFrenzy · 18/11/2019 23:45

btw, the Tories have been in govt since 2010, but afaik not one minister has been continuously in the Cabinet for those 9 years
(Have I missed one ?)

That indicates how chaotic it has been since Cameron resigned - 2 further PMs reorganising, the moderates quitting and the not quite Brexity enough being sacked

but it explains why noone in the govt acts like they know what they are doing - they don't

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Dusty01 · 18/11/2019 23:55

I can't imagine that JRM would go down well with the British people - at all.

tobee · 19/11/2019 00:07

Yeah but if JRM did get installed as PM how could we stop him? Still can't believe he'd deign to get his hands dirty. Leader of the House seems to be a pretty detached kind of role.

WeshMaGueule · 19/11/2019 06:41

Interesting UtterlyPerfect. My mum is a lifelong Tory in a massive Tory stronghold. This time she's voting Green Shock

bellinisurge · 19/11/2019 06:44

JRM is too thick to be elected leader by the Tories if Johnson were to lose his seat. JRM is just there to make Johnson look like an electable pleb.Grinbut seriously , he's so shit he couldn't even oust TM, remember.

ClashCityRocker · 19/11/2019 07:42

JRM is too Evil Tory looking whereas to certain members of the populace Johnson comes across as....cuddly.

On set pieces, if you squint and don't follow politics particularly BJ comes across well. JRM comes across as some who would release the hounds.

Tanith · 19/11/2019 07:48

Ah yes! Jeremy Hunt!

The man who has devoted a whole section of his campaign poster to tell us how he personally stopped the move of an X-ray machine from Milford hospital 10 miles up the road to Cranleigh hospital.

Why? you say? Um... don't ask awkward questions! The main thing is he did it!

RedToothBrush · 19/11/2019 07:50

Interesting UtterlyPerfect. My mum is a lifelong Tory in a massive Tory stronghold. This time she's voting Green

DH was in Esther McVey's neck of the woods yesterday. By pure chance he bumped into a man with a yellow rosette. The local candidate. Then a woman came up and said to the man 'hi I'm a life long Tory. I'm glad I've bumped into you. This time I want to vote LD'.

Esther took over from George. And before George it was Martin Bell. And before Martin Bell it was Neil Hamilton. Its a constituency with an interesting history... Esther has a reputation as a rather poor constituency MP (George by contrast had a surprisingly good local rep there despite being a cabinet minister)

Also a thread from yesterday:

Paul Brand@paulbranditv
Have spent the day speaking to experienced candidates in Labour marginals - seats Tories need to win. Some interesting findings:

1. All Labour candidates say “it feels like 2017”. They don’t expect Labour to win majority but they aren’t expecting huge landslide to Tories either.

2. They are picking up major voter fatigue and disengagement. Many expect a low turnout with little enthusiasm for another election. Which is interesting, because Tories need voters to feel motivated to ‘give Parliament a kicking’ by getting out and voting Conservative.

3. For Labour candidates, Corbyn is raised as an issue more frequently than Brexit. Antisemitism and other issues have cut through with voters since 2017. Boris Johnson is also proving polarising on the doorstep, especially among women.

4. None of this is scientific, but I am making a conscious effort in this election not to be solely informed by polls and to remain connected to candidates on doorstep. I welcome any to drop me a line. The candidates I’ve spoken to admit that the battle varies from seat to seat.

This is the second thread from a journalist to say very similar.

What I've picked up this time compared with last time in my local area is more people saying they don't know who to vote for. Last time they were much more likely to be Labour. But widespread dissatisfaction and not knowing what to do. I do think women turnout will be particularly low.

DH has also been to a high leave area and was talking to someone who said because they speak in another language when drunk (Welsh - it's a border constituency) they no longer go to their local because of the English nationalists. That's new.

My impression is that Lib Dem support is up and motivated. As is nationalists. Which would tie with the euro result. How it plays out depends on what labour and con moderates do. But if that's the case we could either get some shock results... Or a massive tory landslide via the backdoor (or both).

3dogs2cats · 19/11/2019 08:09

Good to have you back , Red.

Motheroffourdragons · 19/11/2019 08:11

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Tanith · 19/11/2019 08:19

twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1196685691964534785

Another Led By Donkeys projection::
EXPOSED: Guess who used taxpayer funds to host the lavish launch of a think tank campaigning to let American corporations run NHS hospitals? Yes, Boris Johnson.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/11/2019 08:20

Laura Kuenssberg
@bbclaurak
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Johnson reveals (again) that his first ambition after university was to set up a business selling kitchen tiles... how the world turns

I think Laura does really well you can barely tell Johnsons cock is in her mouth when she tries to speak Hmm

prettybird · 19/11/2019 08:31

What is that Johnson wants to hide is Google searches with that particular revelation? Wink

Apileofballyhoo · 19/11/2019 08:31

but it explains why noone in the govt acts like they know what they are doing - they don't

I often think the Tories since 2010 have had no clue and just base policies on beliefs/ideas they have themselves with no basis in reality.
Gove and education - where everyone will be above average, curriculum changes based on his personal beliefs, and teachers seem to spend more time teaching obscure grammar to small children rather than basic English, and the rest of their time on reports/predictions. Academies.

Osbourne and Cameron (and the rest of them) and austerity.

It's like running the country is just something to play with. Something to test their ideas out on. It means nothing to them if those ideas don't work.

MockersthefeMANist · 19/11/2019 08:34

"I have talked to senior BBC executives, and they tell me they personally think it’s wrong to expose lies told by a British prime minister because it undermines trust in British politics."

Oh gosh. Back in 1956 we had a lying PM who was trying to get away with it, and the BBC defied him and gave Attlee a right of reply to his lies.

In the words of Aneurin Bevan, "If Mr Eden is an honest man, .....and he might be! ......Then. ........He is. .........Too stupid to be a prime minister!"

dontcallmelen · 19/11/2019 08:45

PMK thank you as always, having a bit of trouble keeping up at the moment, I’m decorating as a means of distraction

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