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Potential Scottish independence - how do people think it would happen in practice?

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Miaowing · 12/11/2019 09:08

I've asked on other threads how people who support Scottish independence actually see it going.

If Brexit has taught us anything, its how difficult it is to unpick 40 years of integration. We are talking hundreds of years in the case of independence.

Are people assuming that the rest of the Uk will just roll over and make it easy for them the same way the more naïve Brexiteers thought that Europe would?

Think of all the things taken for granted.

Sometimes I think independence supporters think Scotland can just pick up its ball and not play anymore and expect ROUK to say go on, and here you go, we’ll help you out.

There is obviously trade and customs but to be honest they are the easy parts.

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MockersthefeMANist · 14/11/2019 16:27

...Actually not quite, got that slightly wrong: Brown PM and Darling Chancellor, but Alxander became shadow FS after Lab lost the election and the Right Miliband buggered off.

Personally, I'd love Gordon Brown back. Never a frown....

StoorieHoose · 14/11/2019 16:30

*It is not long since the UK had a Scottish prime minister, chancellor and foreign secretary all at once.

And what a fiasco it was!*

Was that because they were Scottish or because they represented a party you didn't like?

user1497207191 · 14/11/2019 17:08

Was that because they were Scottish or because they represented a party you didn't like?

It was because of the mess they left behind and general incompetence. Nothing to do with party nor nationality.

MockersthefeMANist · 14/11/2019 17:16

Aaaaah yes, Lehmann Brothers, Enron and Bernie Madoff, all Labour's fault. Just like the Wall St Crash of 29 was all Ramsay MacDonald's fault.

There was Northern Rock, and if anyone had taken George Osborne's advice at the time, there would have been even less regulation and an even bigger crash.

Stooshie8 · 14/11/2019 17:56

I happened upon Andrew Neil's prog on BBC 2 last night where he grilled interviewed an SNP candidate.
OMG - apparently once we are independent we will use immigration to cure our GDP because, to rejoin the EU we need to improve our GDP as it is abysmally low and has to be a decent level to be accepted.
I can't be bothered to rewatch right now (will when I have time as it is pretty breathtaking) but it is a seriously bad interview - from the SNP's point of view.

AuldAlliance · 14/11/2019 18:02

It is not long since the UK had a Scottish prime minister, chancellor and foreign secretary all at once.

And what a fiasco it was!

The UK currently has an English PM, chancellor and foreign secretary all at once and the situation is not looking so good, frankly.

Stooshie8 · 14/11/2019 18:27

Sorry it wasn't GDP it was Fiscal deficit.

user1497207191 · 14/11/2019 19:27

Aaaaah yes, Lehmann Brothers, Enron and Bernie Madoff, all Labour's fault.

Maybe not, but Brown was responsible for the fiasco of merging the UK's tax departments, and closing down town centre tax offices and making experienced tax inspectors redundant, then opening up call centres instead with unqualified minimum wage staff instead. He was responsible for the tax credits botched introduction. His deficit was getting bigger and bigger despite claiming he'd abolished boom and bust! Tax avoidance/evasion grew massively under his watch. His botched tax incentives led to window cleaners turning themselves into limited companies to save tax. He screwed up pensions. He sold off the nation's gold reserves at historical low prices. That was just during his time as chancellor. Need I go on re his failures as prime minister?

nibdedibble · 15/11/2019 09:57

Gordon Brown was bad at communicating his long-term goals and undoubtedly made mistakes...However I'd give my right arm to have someone with his abilities in power instead of the devious moral vacuum we have right now.

Not that it's either/or but I do look back with sadness.

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