Potential Scottish independence - how do people think it would happen in practice?

[Miaowing]

I've asked on other threads how people who support Scottish independence actually see it going.

If Brexit has taught us anything, its how difficult it is to unpick 40 years of integration. We are talking hundreds of years in the case of independence.

Are people assuming that the rest of the Uk will just roll over and make it easy for them the same way the more naïve Brexiteers thought that Europe would?

Think of all the things taken for granted.

Sometimes I think independence supporters think Scotland can just pick up its ball and not play anymore and expect ROUK to say go on, and here you go, we’ll help you out.

There is obviously trade and customs but to be honest they are the easy parts.

It wont be easy to start with but I’m sure we’ll get there in the end
Isn't this what Brexiteers say?

And how do you feel about Brexit without the details?
Not happy at all! It makes it pretty obvious that we don't need another vague, open-ended, vote-yes-for-your-personally-imagined-version-of-independence referendum. If it was up to me we'd pause Brexit to do Indyref2 with details, but sadly it's not up to me

I do not think if Scotland just leaves it gets a share of assets unless it also has a share of liabilities I'm not aware of UK getting a share of EU assets because we chose to leave

...I'm now thinking Hatton Garden Job II, Threadneedle St!

This time with Bill Patterson, Peter Capaldi and every other ageing jock actor you can think of...

(notherwinkywotsit)

OP you do realise that Scotland is an equal partner in the Union?

Condescending attitudes do nothing to make Scots want to stay in the UK.

OP you do realise that Scotland is an equal partner in the Union?

I don't even begin to understand what that means. According to the law, there are no partners, just one Union.

The current Union was established by the Act of 1801, which states:

...that the said Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland shall, upon the first Day of January which shall be in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and one, and for ever after, be united into one Kingdom, by the Name of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland....

...So neither Scotland nor England were even parties to that, having both previously subsumed themselves in 1707.

....Once again, It's a Union, not a federation.

Mockers my apologies for not being as clever. I'm only a Jock...........

that the said Kingdoms of Great Britain and Ireland shall, upon the first Day of January which shall be in the Year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and one, and for ever after, be united into one Kingdom, by the Name of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland....

Shame about the Ireland bit eh?

@Random18

Don't apologise. We only have this situation because of English arrogance. The plan was to sweep away all reference to England and Scotland and replace them with North Britain and South Britain. The Scots were happy to call themselves North British (the hotel in Edinburgh) but the English were buggered if they were going to be South British.

...The 'Ireland Bit' was indeed modified by the Government of Ireland Act of 1920, which would be the model for facilitating Scottish Indpendence, possibly with a similar partition for Mundellshire and neighbouring lands, so you could have a Londonderry-Ayr?

(winkywotsitagain)

My point being that still we have the arrogance where 1 country essentially thinks they are the UK and no other nation matters.

The United Kingdon of Great Britain and Northern Ireland being the clue....no mention of England there.

So to say Scotland may not be allowed to use the pound - sheer arrogance.

Scotland could use the pound but have to accept that interest rates are controlled by the Bank of England.

Ps I am not actually convinced by Independence. But its not a definite NO anymore. It was in 2014.

And I do find jock a derogatory term.......

Scotland can indeed use pound notes the way Zimbabwe uses US Dollars, but you will have to buy them. They cost a pound each, no discounts.

The EU will require Scotland to have a credible currency of its own before it will be considered for membership.

so you could have a Londonderry-Ayr?

Partition and the decades of sectarian violence soemthing to joke about? You make a convincing argument for Scottish independence.

Partition and the decades of sectarian violence soemthing to joke about?

Not something you ever hear in NI where they are all famously deadpan about the whole thing, as in that gritty urban drama Derry Girls.

"The Troubles? It was all blown up out of all proportion."

I di not necessarily think the message coming out of the EU would be the same now as it was in 2014.

Spain for instance may have a different view of Scotland joining now.

I don't actually know the SNPs current plans- too concerned about brexit.

What currency would they plan to use long term?

The White paper did annoy me as there were far too many assumptions.

Not something you ever hear in NI where they are all famously deadpan about the whole thing, as in that gritty urban drama Derry Girls.

Black humour is nuanced. Your posts aren't.

...Picks up handbag and clutches it to bosom.

Spain has been far less vocal about vetoes, etc., since the Brexit negotiations, partly because they were something of an eye-opener as to how England behaves towards rUK and others. Also, having sentenced those responsible for the Catalan referendum, the Spanish are now slightly less inclined to look for other, external ways of discouraging such moves.

This man has some suitably nuanced thoughts on the topic.

"How would it happen in practice?"
Over my dead body, and I suspect those of the other quarter of a million
Tories living in Scotland!
The SNP wasted £6million of taxpayers money to hold their divisive independence referendum, which they lost.
I'm damned if I want them wasting another £6million because they won't respect the result.
Scotland has no currency, no cash reserves, can't afford to underwrite its own banks (which have already said they'll have to move to London in the event of independence, to keep the Bank of England as their lender of last resort), would lose the protection of the British army, Royal Navy and RAF (to be replaced by a "Scottish Defence Force" with just 600 frontline troops, according to the SNP's laughable White Paper) and would have trade barriers against its biggest customer - 60% of all Scotland's trade is with the U.K., and only 15% with the whole EU.
Scotland's deficit, at 8%, is the highest in the EU - worse than Greece. It can't even apply to rejoin the EU until that deficit is down to 3% max - which would require savage austerity cuts and huge tax rises.
I am livid that the SNP are threatening to tear apart my country and leave me as an expat Englishwoman living in a bankrupt undefended banana republic. I tramped the pavements for the Better Together campaign, and I'm ready to do so again, but I'm furious at that idiot Sturgeon for making it necessary.

The SNP wasted £6million of taxpayers money to hold their divisive independence referendum, which they lost.

You'll be equally as angry, I'm sure about the millions the Tories have wasted on Brexit so far, including the 31st October propaganda and the commerative coins.

Didn't May's botched election in 2017 cost the taxpayer 140 million?

Babdoc if it's what the people of scotland want then you and your tory pals can go and take a running jump.

It will be the will of the people after all...........

Whether you are for or against independence- Babdoc summed it up better than me.

There are HUGE issues to be fixed - way more than Brexit.

I know pro independence people gloss this over. But if the accusation is England is arrogant the Scotland is easily as arrogant as the assumption appears to be The UK will stand back and let them waltz off with no repercussions

Scotland's deficit, at 8%, is the highest in the EU

Scotland doesn’t have a deficit, that is a number produced by the U.K. government and it’s nothing short of nonsense.

The rUK may not want to "let" Scotland become independent but it won't have a choice if Scotland votes in favour.

Scotland doesn't belong to England or Wales or Northern Ireland.

Any 'repercussions' in the form of trade barriers will hurt the other party too - cutting nose off to spite face.

Allies not enemies would seem to be better for everyone.