Westminstenders: The Non-Pact Pact

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The Brexit Party and the Conservatives have agreed a trumpian pact to no deal. Led by the ERG.

They don't want you to know its a pact because the Conservatives still want One Nation Conservatives types to believe they are still One Nation Conservatives, simply because they say they are. They are not.

The Brexit Party won't stand any candidates in a Conservative held seat. But don't be surprised if there isn't more Non-Pact tactical stepping aside. This of course won't be a Pact. Cos the Brexit Party say its not. And the Conservative Party say its not.

The Liberal Democrats, Plaid and the Greens are in an electoral pact. They say they are in an electoral pact and have published a list.

Meanwhile the Labour Party isn't in a Pact. But there is still talk that in key seats that someone (either the LDs or Labour) should stand aside to try and deseat key Conservatives. This won't happen because the Lib Dems and Labour are not in a pact. And when they say they are not in a pact they aren't.

If after an election we have a hung parliament then either the Conservatives or Labour who are not in a pact and say they will never be in a pact, will try and woo someone to a kingmaker and be in government with them, probably on a supply and demand basis rather than coalition. They'll deny this but we kind of know how this goes...

It’s much worse than that - he is preventing some life long Labour supporters voting for their party.

Then they need to have a serious think about their priorities. Do they hate Corbyn more than Brexit? More than Johnson? More than continued damage to the country and our democracy?

The fact is Corbyn is the reason Labour have pretty much no chance of winning the GE thus handing it to the Tories. I'd rather stab myself in the foot than vote for Jeremy.

Corbyn would almost certainly step down Let's hope so. He's a blot on the fucking landscape.

Do they hate Corbyn more than Brexit? More than Johnson? More than continued damage to the country and our democracy?

In some cases, yes.

In some cases, yes

Then I don't see how Corbyn can be blamed for their irrational thinking

Then I don't see how Corbyn can be blamed for their irrational thinking

Because, as this whole thing so frequently demonstrates, not everyone has the same views.

@JustAnotherPoster00

I remember similar outrage when JS failed to bend the knee to JC when a “national unity” Government was being feverishly discussed back in September.... This will all be forgotten in a couple of days. Most of those inclined to vote LD yesterday will still be inclined to do so on 12
December... Similarly, Corbynistas will
continue to stir shit too, desperate to spin anything other than LD fealty to Corbyn as evidence of their fiendish ways, with associated reports of their imminent demise.

The Guardian’s Rafael Behr outlines the position eloquently:

Even if individuals in certain seats could set bygones aside, at national level Jo Swinson needs support from liberal Tories who abhor Corbynism every bit as much as Brexit nationalism. Swinson cannot afford to give the faintest hint of formal collaboration with Labour under its current leader. Besides, there would be scant reciprocation. When Labour activists call for an alliance, what they tend to mean is that the Lib Dems should admit the folly of their existence, shut up and dock with the big red mothership of all political virtue. It is not as persuasive a pitch as some on the left seem to think.

*Do they hate Corbyn more than Brexit? More than Johnson? More than continued damage to the country and our democracy?

In some cases, yes.*

I am coming more and more convinced that most people will vote in this election with no thought of fact, what that vote will mean in reality. They will vote purely on a visceral reaction to the leader of the party ...... and that's a problem for labour and the Lib Dem's.
I don't understand it - I can't understand why people don't dispise Bozo as much as I do.......that they can't see the damage he will do to the fundamentals of this society....... it's all very superficial, and that is so depressing.

This could prove the turning point for the Lib Dems. On my timeline alone I’ve seen dozens of loyal Lib Dems and ex-Labour converts vow they’ll never vote for the party again.

Also, this is a storm in a teacup that literally 99% won’t be aware of, let alone care about. It’s a side issue for left-wing political obsessives.

derxa you are doing far more damage than stabbing yourself in the foot

Then I don't see how Corbyn can be blamed for their irrational thinking

Perhaps not... but that doesn’t change the fact they think the way they do!

derxa you are doing far more damage than stabbing yourself in the foot
Jeremy Corbyn is the most dangerous man in the Uk. His PLp hate him

When Labour activists call for an alliance, what they tend to mean is that the Lib Dems should admit the folly of their existence, shut up and dock with the big red mothership of all political virtue. It is not as persuasive a pitch as some on the left seem to think.

That quote from Behr is hilarious, brilliant, and devastatingly true!

Jeremy Corbyn is the most dangerous man in the Uk

Boris Johnson and the Russian Mountain: a two minute film which sets out why MI6 was worried about a security risk.

twitter.com/i/status/1194702254500126720

derxa

Nope. Our PM, in the pocket of trump and putin, is far far more dangerous.

Don't let the flop haired posh boy act fool you.

Don't let the flop haired posh boy act fool you.
I'm not easily fooled, How dare you

And yet....
You are going to vote for a pm that is the worst - in every sense - in living memory.
A man reviled by most of his decent mps. So much so they rebelled and lost the whip.
When people who have known this man for decades tell you he is a lying bastard..
Believe them.

Ken Clarke all but called Johnson and his gang fascists. Right wing nutters.

Johnson is the most dangerous man in the UK at the moment.

By a country mile.

We, in the UK, are being led to the slaughter by sheep following wolves.

A man reviled by most of his decent mps. So much so they rebelled and lost the whip. When people who have known this man for decades tell you he is a lying bastard.. Believe them.

The lack of self-awareness! Almost all those things apply to Corbyn just as well or better - his own MPs have voted No Confidence in him, but he still clings on like a barnacle!

Bad things apply to Johnson
Bad things apply to Swinson
Bad things apply to Corbyn.

If you agree to this then you have to choose which is least bad. Least bad for the country. Or not vote. That's it.

(The minor parties will have to go into a coalition with one of the "bad leaders" or not)

Corbyn got 313,209 in the popular vote to be leader of Labour

Johnson got 92,153 members voting to be leader of Conservatives

Is that the kind of citation needed you mean Just?