Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

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There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

2015-2019: a Labour Party previously devoid of antisemites is now rammed full of them, the exact same time period during which Jeremy Corbyn has been leader...

What a coincidence!

bellini I'm finding you quite difficult at the moment, and as said previously: I very often agree with you and your pragmatic approach to Brexit vs the GFA.

Would I put the GFA above AS in Lab? yes, I would, going with the 'my hair's on fire' analogy. at the moment, we are firefighting, we have to get through this Brexit shit (somehow!) because its the biggest issue facing us all.

Yes but Arse can nothing be done to take us away from the extremes? If not this time soon?

tobee I'm personally optimistic that things will become less extreme if Labour get in and we get a bit more fairness and optimism.

I am really worried about the effect of another Tory government on the country

@yolofish , I'm half Irish and half Jewish. I therefore bridle at anyone riding roughshod over either of those two communities.

It also pisses me off that younger activists often seem incapable of recognising that very many people have worked very hard over a long period of time to try to raise awareness and improve the environment.

It’s the same with feminism, they think they’ve invented it.

i'm exhausted for a number of reasons
this thread seems a lot nastier today (I've only skim read)
please, let's be kind to each other.

there's a lot of avoidable death at work and it's not even winter yet. the staffing is threadbare. we've had no senior doctors at night for two weeks and they're scrabbling around getting doctors from other hospitals or getting junior doctors to "act up", they basically ask me to work the evening or the night as well every time I have a day shift
there's a lot of sickness. I think everyone is burned out. I am very kind every time someone tells me they're sick and can't work, but I'm also knackered.

Some days I'm more hopeful than others. good people around me it feels like, in the communities I work in... the rest of the country appears to have gone mad though!!

Do people believe polling? I'm trying to remember what happened in 2017. I think there was talk of this 100 seat tory majority then too.

Did the russian story break?
The flooding just felt like a kick in the teeth on top of everything else!

To be honest @yolofish , my hair is on fire over both GFA and antisemitism.

DGR - I don't think you know too much about earth science. When big volcanoes blow, they tend to promote cooling.....

It’s the same with feminism, they think they’ve invented it.

wasn't that sex ?

Bit late but:

It's also possible to accept climate change (given that all the climate has ever done in the Earths history is change you'd have to be a special sort of dimwit not to acknowledge that) whilst questioning how much - if any - is due to human activities.

I find this really interesting. DH knows a couple of people who work on the periphery of climate science who are sceptical about the maths and the error range of the measurements when it comes to anthropomorphic effects.

DGR - I don't think you know too much about earth science. When big volcanoes blow, they tend to promote cooling.....

Is "cooling" not a form of "change" ?

(Starting to suspect there's been some miscommunication here).

wasn't that sex ?

That too.

squid
My mum usually ends up with an admission in december (copd, pvd, angina....)
Thank you so much for all you do xxxxxxx

squid4

Thank you for everything you do.

thanks Hooo
patients and families are generally very appreciative. I just wish I could provide a better service.

The Brexit Arms lot - the people we actually need to find common cause with - all go on about how Remain voters love Corbyn etc etc. I always think that is an overly simplistic way of looking at what is happening to our country; that it isn't Tories vs Labour/ Johnson vs Corbyn . Turns out, judging by this thread today, this analysis isn't overly simplistic. And that we must all trust Corbyn's Labour to fix everything because.... not sure why but we must. 🤷‍♀️

I think when youre trying to open dialogue I think calling those youre trying to work with murderous cunts probably wont get a warm reception

Do you believe in a 2 state solution bellini?

Just

Maybe a good idea to put that brilliant post from Louise Raw on that other thread?

Is "cooling" not a form of "change" ?

Yes, it is, and volcanic eruptions in the past have given rise to Little Ice Ages.... but the discussion about climate change and human behaviour hasn't been one about global cooling.

I have no reason not to 'trust' Corbyn. I have a myriad of reasons not to trust Johnson. No further analysis required.

Is Louise Raw a Labour MP?

Does she have a better idea than Luciana Berger who recently said that the abuse she received ‘trying to contend with antisemitism’ and ‘standing up and speaking out’ about it made her ‘physically ill’. A better idea than Margaret Hodge, Angela Eagle, Louise Ellman?

They could tell Raw exactly when it started. Hodge detailed exactly that in an interview I recently posted on here. Ellman and Hodge have made it clear that it is under Corbyn that AS has become mainstream.

Do I believe in a 2 state solution? Yes.

Hodge extends her allegations that Corbyn is an ‘antisemite and racist’ under whom antisemitism ‘has been given permission to come into the mainstream and, like a cancer, is infecting and growing through the Party’.

Hodge provides no evidence of such horrific wrongdoing by Corbyn, nor by ‘mainstream’ Labour members. Her own submissions to the Labour Party certainly don’t do the job: General Secretary, Jennie Formby reported that Hodge’s 200 complaints comcerned 111 individuals, of whom only 20 were actually Party members.

Who have I called a murderous cunt? I must have missed me saying tact. Because that's not what I say.

I'm half Irish and half Jewish. I therefore bridle at anyone riding roughshod over either of those two communities.

I’m neither but i have to agree that comment was extraordinary.