Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

[RedToothBrush]

There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

Thanks, Just.

💐

Seriously, you don't have to respond.

Likewise you, bellini.

Please, everyone, I am begging you to try and remember liberal ideals like 'humanity' & 'democracy' because - however flawed - they really matter and they are being set on fire.

We have to do better.

Unbelievably, we have reached the point where 'little people', small people, like us, now bear the weight of trying to keep those values alive in the face of extraordinary pressure.

We didn't sign up for that.

We don't have any of the privileges that come with such an onerous responsibility.

But history has shoved that weight onto us.

And we just have to bear it as best we can.

Cat, I'm appalled to hear that you nearly got attacked. It'll be a wonder if we get through this election without someone getting hurt.

Maybe wind in the partisan necks a bit this morning? I know I'm guilty of robust debate but at least both sides get it equally.

(PS: "ok boomer" isn't ageist, it's about entitlement. The war generation aren't boomers.)

That's what I'm thinking, Misti (about someone getting hurt).

I was going to keep quiet about it because I know a lot of people are thinking about going out canvassing for the first time - and I don't want to scare people off.

And we need people to get involved - not just in canvassing but in politics generally - because things have to change.

But ... 🤷‍♀️

Honestly, this GE is just crazy. The UK seems to have gone completely bonkers.

I keep hoping things will calm down but ... on it goes.

We really need to have some kind of grassroots movement for calm, love, humanity ... but everything is so febrile and lurid. And I guess there just is so much at stake everything is catching fire. ☹️

cat I agree with you. I don't see how aggressive and nasty posts are helpful in persuading people who don't agree with your point of view.

Just seen Boris laying a wreath at the cenotaph on the news and he looks a bloody mess

Yet he gets a free pass from the right wing media. Michael Foot was crucified for wearing a 'donkey jacket'. It wasn't actually, it was a good coat, but of the wrong cut. Similarly, didn't Corbyn wear a raincoat last year and was also vilified. Yet a slob like Johnson, apparently is above criticism.

One of the reasons I have dared to post on the Arms threads is to try and open a few peoples eyes about Remain voters.
I have been open about voting Remain and despising both Johnson and Corbyn.
Disappointing to find the most unfriendly stuff tends to be on here if you dare to say those things.

Yet a slob like Johnson, apparently is above criticism. He's not.

PS: "ok boomer" isn't ageist, it's about entitlement

Even that is too glib a statement: I am a baby boomer, but voted Remain, as did most of my friends the same age.

It’s a pointless insult. It hardly comes as a surprise to us that we’re boomers. I don’t actually know anyone who admits to voting leave.

It would be better if we learnt the art of persuasion and not abrasion.

Re Gina Miller... fuck ! No recommendation yet.... Three way marginal

Tory 35%
Labour 28%
LibDem 31%

Current prediction

Remain alliance seat

Annoyed. This is why the LibDems historically piss me off.

Frances Ryan
@DrFrancesRyan
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This could be big: More than a million people on low-incomes who did not vote in the last election are planning to do so this time,
@jrf_uk
finds.

Their key concerns include secure private tenancies and benefit rates. Labour can represent them.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/10/low-income-missing-million-voters-return-leave-swing-seats?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

It can be really really difficult to tell - a rash of posters and stakeboards advertising that you are for [insert party name] doesn't always tell you which way the vote will go - it just tells you that the local party has some dedicated activists.

In my constituency, I doubt whether we will see many Tory posters, and we will see a rash of LibDem, but I still expect it to be close run.

This just showed up on my recommendations on Youtube

France want their words back before we leave - enjoy

Even that is too glib a statement: I am a baby boomer, but voted Remain, as did most of my friends the same age.

Of course it's glib. It's a meme! Personally as the parent of older teens I do kind of understand it - our generation benefited from a lot of things their generation won't (free education, cheap housing) and we are leaving behind a gigantic mess for them to clean up in the form of climate change.

It should be used with care but IME, the boomers who feel personally offended by it generally could do with reflecting on why it exists!

John Curtice: How will the Nigel Farage factor affect this election?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/09/will-nigel-farage-factor-affect-election/

Voters who prefer No Deal:
74% BXP
34% Tories

Those likely to vote for FarageCorp:
20% Leavers
1% Remainers

Tory Party suffers backlash on plans to legalise gay marriage as members resign in mass protest.

Almost all of the 122 Daily Mail reader comments for this article are protesting about David Cameron's broken promise on tax breaks for married couples - they are not protesting against gay marriage.

I was accused of being a 'boomer' last night. Well I didn't fall into a crying crumpled heap. It's a fact that I fall into the baby boomer age range. I also voted Remain.

I'm a boomer too. I vote left of centre, I don't drive, I use the train instead of flying, and I grow my own veg. But I got a free education and paid £60k for my first house in Zone 3 London and I've contributed my fair share of CO2 via work travel. My kids occasionally "ok boomer" me and they have a point.

Even if we take that as 100% under estimate, and double the number to 500,000 and we assume everyone of those can vote and we assume they would all have voted Labour anyway, the language of "deserting in droves" doesn't seem to match the actualite.

I don’t have any patience with AS deniers. Your line seems to be you think insufficient numbers are leaving to matter.

In a Jewish News poll 25% of British Jews are set to vote for the LD – 4 x as many as in 2017. Labour has now fallen to 6%.

87% regard Corbyn as AS.

David Rosenberg
@davidjrosenberg
Word of warning to those who have seen statistics saying 87% of British Jews think Corbyn is an antisemite, and 47% would consider emigrating if he became PM... the questions were put to just 0.28% of the Jewish community.

I agree with you @Mistigri but usually an insult is designed to cause offence. Stating a fact is an odd way to go about it.

I'm not a baby boomer. Nor am I an entitled Tory. Nor am I crying. Apart from crying laughing.

My kids occasionally "ok boomer" me Yes DS1 is forever 'boomering' me but it's just bantz

The term "Baby-Boomer" is an American mis-import. Our birth graph is quite different. Like the US, there was a spike around the late 40s, but then our rate fell away sharply whilst their plateaued. Then in the 1960s, theirs dropped like a stone when ours went up again.

When I was at school in the 70s, the kids slightly younger than me who needed an extra seventh class in their years were known as the baby bulge.

Regards the Generation Gap, Breaking News, it's been done before, and it as never greater than between us the children of the flower children and the National Service mob who told us to jump and looked amazed when we asked, "Why?"

I don’t have any patience with AS deniers.

No 1 here has denied it,

I deleted everything I wrote after that thats all I'm saying