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'Uncle' Joe Stalin is credited with killing 20m kulaks, so hardly among the saints. The Khmer Rouge's Killing Fields? Evil dictators all of them; I'm worried that people no longer read or believe history, except for what's taught in schools, and that's not exactly an epic sweep (or even a decent edited highlights).

Did anyone see the new anti-bullying emojis that some organisation wants to add to our mobile phones to give us a response to trolls?

@dapplegrey

Classic brain wash I'm afraid.
Yet, mention the word jack boot and you will be interrogated and questions as to whether you actually meant to use the deeply offensive word 'Jack Boot'.

I can't imagine that much reading or understanding has gone on about life under stalin or Mao. The murder and slaughter, whole countries turned into prison camps.

But tush tush... It's a bit silly.

Love those meal deals SingingLily

Welcome Saucery

Epic I've read Wild Swans, yes it's chilling that so many lives were ruined/lost thanks to Mao. Let's not forget that McDonnell brandished Mao's Little Red Book in the House of Commons a few years ago

epic waffle

The private life of chairman mao by zhuisu li (spelling) is fascinating, incredible, terrible, by mao private doctor.

He saw everything!

Also... Life and death in shanghai is an astonishing book of one woman's descent into the madness of mao.

The useful idiots have no idea what they support, usually I find they are born into very socialist families, had it drummed into them left good kind, right bad... And usually they sneer at religion without realising that they are knee deep in one.

have no favoured party as they all need to stop bickering and slagging each other off and get on with showing me why I should vote for them.

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Preach!

For me this election is all about Brexit, hence the Tories are getting my vote
Next election my vote is entirely up for grabs

I want to see MPs actually doing what they're paid to do - less grandstanding & making all about them, less pointless bickering & cheap jibes

There's loads of them that get on with it & do an amazing job but unfortunately they're completely drowned out by the showboaters

So, hope a cynical political flipflop voter can find a seat away from the door to the toilets

Come to the bosom of the pub with everyone else 🍺 we can all cwtch up & sing kumbaya 🍷

Thanks for the book recommendations genuine!

I will take a look! I still have Mao’s last dancer and the Testaments to get through first , Ive been waiting for dark nights and cosy fires to get started! I will definitely add these to my reading wish list! .

What a friendly lot you Leavers are! And so well read too

Were politicians more competent when I was a fresh faced new voter 30 years ago, or is that just the nostalgia talking, I wonder?
I remember thinking John Smith was bloody amazing and the Labour that rose from the ashes of the 70s was so different and hopeful. I had no second thoughts about voting for them (much to my Dad’s disgust) twice, then a dalliance with Lib Dem until they showed they are yellow in nature as well as hue. Reluctant Tory now, because of Self ID (don’t worry, I’ll keep all that for the Feminism threads!) mainly. Plus the fact that JS and Momentum make me incredibly uneasy as I’ve met their type before. Politics of Envy and not much else going on.

Did anyone see the new anti-bullying emojis that some organisation wants to add to our mobile phones to give us a response to trolls?

Heavens no, XingMing. I'm still struggling with the ones I've already got. Apparently, the current ones don't always mean what I thought they meant. I can't cope with any more!

Hi Saucery and Dapplegrey. I'm quite new here but I've already learned to avoid the vaults.

😳 just burst in with a post as I was reading down the thread & then got to end & realised the convo had gone quite serious...
...soz comrades

I don't know much about all the murderous regimes of the past, just a passing knowledge & a bit of googling - I know enough though to know I don't ever want to live in a country like that.

Corbyn, McDonnell, the momentum crowd & all those who fetishise the far left, communism etc are awful. Genuinely chilling.

I dearly want Labour to be absolutely demolished in this election so that it can be rebuilt if possible, or replaced if not.

I've banged the drum for the SDPUK before, but I'm wondering if a lot of politically homeless people might wend their way there & breathe some life into it if Labour falls.

Here's a link from the Westminsterenders thread about how to spoil your ballot and possibly get it noticed . For those on here that are not voting Tory

http://www.votenone.org.uk/protestvotess_count.html

Thanks, Bellini, but the link didn't work for me. "Page not found" etc.

Speaking as a former LGO who once furiously sorted and counted votes, a spoiled ballot is a spoiled ballot and no one cares what's written on it. It just gets counted and goes into the spoiled ballot pile.

All we had time for was a quick eye roll.

Soz landlady, yes we have descended into talk of murder and awfulness.

I was triggered by the 'Jack Boot' = did you mean to say that word, do you understand the implications?

And ' standing under flags of mao and stalin is a bit silly'.

What a twisted fucked up nasty lot they are.
Did anyone see full front page ad on front of Jewish paper... Calling for people not to vote Labour.. Even non Jews.

And two ex Labour mps have called on Labour supporters to vote tory, to stop corybn.

Anyway..... Breathe and back to the marrow bed.

I felt sorry for Ian Austin. You could see he was really struggling. The Labour Party would have been his life. The depth of his despair was obvious.

I really respect him for making an honourable stand.

@SingingLily , in short, it recommends writing NONE in clear letters.
There were loads of spoiled papers in the Macron presidential election. Enough to be noticed.
I'm sure it's an eye roller for the counters but I must vote and I cannot see anyone to vote for. Unless, as I have said, it is a tactical vote to keep out the Brexit Party.

The protest vote thing looks a bit Konspiracy Korner/6th Form common room tbh. The ‘hidden third’ just aren’t going to shift themselves to that extent, they’ll just not bother to vote. And I’d bet a large sum that even 100,000 spoiled ballot papers would still just be ignored.
I do find that unfortunate and I wish everyone would use their vote, as it’s so important we all have a say in the system of governance.

Was the same poster that said both, wasn't it Genuine?

Typical pouncing on 'problematic language' & ignoring the big old hammer & sickle in the room 🙄

Fair enough @Saucery but I won't vote Labour or Tory. I can't vote for the Woke Lib Dems. And I fear the Greens are Woke too.
Hell would freeze over before I would vote Brexit Party.

There were loads of spoiled papers in the Macron presidential election. Enough to be noticed.
I'm sure it's an eye roller for the counters but I must vote and I cannot see anyone to vote for.

I do understand your dilemma, Bellini, but all those spoiled votes didn't make one iota of difference to the outcome of the French presidential election. It just meant all those counting the votes developed very strong eye muscles.

Each to their own, though.

This is where a revival of Screamin Lord Sutch and the Raving Looney Monster party would be welcome.

That’s understandable, bellini. We’re all having to take our own paths on this according to what we think best. There isn’t a right or wrong way to act if no single party covers most of the policies we prefer (never seen one that matches exactly what I’d like to see, but I guess that’s the nature of UK politics).
Personally, I need my vote to count one way or another, whether it ends up electing the candidate/party I want or not. If spoiled ballots count as having exercised the right to vote for others then that’s ok.

Singing there is always a silver lining, even stronger eye muscles is something to be thankful for

Have a look at SDP Bellini (don't know if they're putting up a candidate where you are though...)

At least it's a vote for something rather than against & it doesn't involve voting for something you detest

(Obvs you might not like their policies!! I'm not being presumptuous, honest, just think they're worth a look)

https://sdp.org.uk/

I appreciate that this pub is for Leavers which gives customers a choice of 3 parties but I have none. I voted Remain and can live with an orderly Brexit. I don't like Johnson and the current "fuck you all, even if you are Churchill's grandson " attitude of the Tories (not that I ever liked the Tories).
I would vote for a centrist Labour Party but it is also a "fuck you" party right now.

😂 GenuineQuestions. Indeed. Having eyes like a brickhouse rat was an enormous advantage in my later career. Strangely, I never made the connection till now...