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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 13:46

"why is there no equivalent of a BXP party to Labour’s left, and why is there one to the Tories’ right?"

Cendrillon The BXP is a pro Brexit populist party
It attracts those of the far right, but also politicians from the far left too

The far left and the far right - not just in the UK - share several psychological & political characteristics and both cynically use xenophobia when it suits them
They seem to be sharing one populist party to some extent - populism generally contains elements of both right & left, in policies and people.

The BXP has taken voters from both Tory & Labour - Farage said he is especially targetting Labour seats & voters this GE

As well as the Revolutionary Communist party members pp listed above, George Galloway also applied to become a BXP candidate

(he was refused, probably due to Farage not wanting a flamboyant rival - he learned from UKIP not to allow any competition)

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:47

Oakenbeach it's going to take years for things to begin to heel, if ever.

Who stands to gain from this division on all sides and the middle? Not forgetting the possible break away of the counties of the uk.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:47

Or even heal

derxa · 07/11/2019 13:48

The people who murdered Lyra were breakaway dissidents That's OK then Hmm

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 13:48

BXP

really, it should be called The Brexit Company. Ducks and all that.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:51

That's OK then

As bad faith posts go, that one takes the biscuit.

It's possible to disagree with someone's position without deliberately misrepresenting it.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 13:53

The Tories allied with the DUP, who have strong connections to Loyalist paramilitary groups in NI

Labour in NI have always supported the SDLP, a party of the moderate left, which has always condemned all violence and has no paramilitary connections.

LDems are aligned with the non-sectarian Alliance party

placemats · 07/11/2019 13:54

No, it's not okay then. Good grief Derxa what a mealy mouthed post.

Watch the clip from Newsnight. And then you will understand where I'm coming from.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:54

Find myself weirdly agreeing with Cendrilliion on this.
It's not fucking handwringing if you were ever caught up in a bomb attack.

We should condemn perpetrators of terrorism and their supporters on both sides of the political spectrum.

I don't think it's very complicated.

Also important to be careful about language here (I do think DGR's language was a bit careless but most of us are guilty of that from time to time).

Peregrina · 07/11/2019 13:55

I think it's too soon for the tactical voting sites to predict accurately at the moment. I see they have a recommendation for Philip Hammond, yet he is not standing.

I was encouraged to see that a lot of seats where the Brexit party is recommended look to be ones where the Tory vote will be split, but the other parties, usually Labour, will still get returned.

A thought too - if Denis Skinner stands and gets returned again, he will become the Father of the House.

bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 13:58

Anyone old enough to remember the Brighton Bomb and then to remember Corbyn photoed smiling and shaking hands with the bunch who did it just after the event would find it hard to accept his judgment skills. And then the bullshit about how he was part of the peace process bullshit.
Of course he's not the only bastard. Of course the Tories are shits for sucking up to the DUP.
Bad judgment does not make for good politicians.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 13:58

The BXP could play an important role in deciding this GE - by which party they hurt the worst in the key marginals.

Some Tories will be tempted to vote BXP,
but so too will some Labour voters, who would never switch to Tory - a tribal dislike - but might vote BXP

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:59

I thought the tactical voting sites for the EU elections weren't that helpful.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 14:00

The BXP are still regarded as the "anti-establishment" party by some angry voters of both right and left

  • populism is effective at that trick
HesterThrale · 07/11/2019 14:00

I agree Peregrina, too early for those tactical sites. Nominations don’t even close for another week!

prettybird · 07/11/2019 14:01

He won't become Father of the House: he's already said he would refuse the honour (it also comes with some responsibilities - like chairing the election of the Speaker Wink) so I presume that the title would go to the next longest standing MP, whoever that may be.

As an aside, Skinner would be 92 by the end of the next Parliament Shock, assuming it survives runs the full term which can't be assumed Wink

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 14:01

The far left and the far right - not just in the UK - share several psychological & political characteristics and both cynically use xenophobia when it suits them
They seem to be sharing one populist party to some extent - populism generally contains elements of both right & left, in policies and people.

Today's libertarian far right (ie Spiked and the former RCP brigade, for whom no position in contrarian enough) basically IS yesterday's far left. They are literally the same people, who morphed from supporters of IRA, Libyan and Serbian terror into members of "free market" think tank and fracking lobbyists.

TheABC · 07/11/2019 14:01

Based on previous statistical number-crunching, the Tories have a lot more votes to lose than Labour and there are a lot more LibDem/Tory margins than Lib Dem/Labour.

So if this alliance works, you should see a boost in seats for the smaller parties, but at Tory's expense. Depending on how effective Johnson's campaign is (it can't possibly get any worse?!), you are looking at a hung parliament or a narrow Labour majority.

In turn, this explains why Swinson has been so adamant about making no deals with Labour or Conservative parties and focusing on "winning". She does not want the label of "vote Lib Dem, get xxxx". It's been the curse of the Lib Dems in past elections to be the tactical vote against the incumbent party, rather than for their policies.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 14:02

I do think DGR's language was a bit careless

TatianaLarina · 07/11/2019 14:02

I think it's too soon for the tactical voting sites to predict accurately at the moment.

It is. I’ve just received info on my Labour candidate and she’s looking really good - staunch Remainer promising to vote for Remain interests.
Whether she has a the balls to stand up to Corbyn as a new MP remains to be seen. But - she’s tempting me from LD.

I don’t know which way my borough will jump given the recent LD revival and Labour’s failure of Remain. However Labour did much better at the last election.

TheABC · 07/11/2019 14:03

I also think Greens may do surprisingly well.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/nov/07/majority-of-uk-public-back-2030-zero-carbon-target-poll

^^
Taken from the Guardian, but also reported elsewhere.

tobee · 07/11/2019 14:03

Will leavers be as confused as to who they should vote for? 🤔

LouiseCollins28 · 07/11/2019 14:06

OK well I'm not understanding then DGR. Having reread what you wrote before I'm little the wiser, sorry.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 14:06

Assuming they stand at this élection and win their seats, I believe the next two candidates in line for FotH after Skinner are Peter Bottomley (CON) and Geoffrey Robinson (LAB)

derxa · 07/11/2019 14:07

Anyone old enough to remember the Brighton Bomb and then to remember Corbyn photoed smiling and shaking hands with the bunch who did it just after the event would find it hard to accept his judgment skills. And then the bullshit about how he was part of the peace process bullshit.Of course he's not the only bastard. Of course the Tories are shits for sucking up to the DUP. Bad judgment does not make for good politicians. I am old enough to remember and I agree with every word you said bellini