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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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TatianaLarina · 07/11/2019 13:04

So this remain alliance is likely to succeed in putting the Conservative back in parliament

It’s certainly a possibilty.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 07/11/2019 13:04

I'm somewhat enjoying watching the change from why are the Lib Dem's standing against remainers to the remain pacts are undemocratic. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Not that these sort of pacts haven't always existed though never on this scale - the biggest being the unopposing of the speakers seat.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:09

I would say that Ian Austin + John Woodcock don't add up to one Ken Clarke.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:16

@LouiseCollins28

In the 1980s and 1990s, the Revolutionary Communist Party supported IRA violence and also Gadaffi's Libya which was responsible for a number of acts of terrorism in Europe as well as the Lockerbie bombing. The same group of people were also apologists for Serbian violence in the Balkans.

There were four RCP/Living Marxism-linked candidates for the BXP at the EP elections: Claire Fox (ex RCP, NW England). Alka Sehgal Cuthbert (ex RCP, London). James Heartfield (ex RCP, Yorkshire and Humber). Stuart Waiton (Living Marxism/Spiked network since at least 2000, Scotland).

Claire Fox put her name an article defending the Warrington bombing in 1993 on the grounds that nationalists had a right “to take whatever measures necessary in their struggle for freedom”. When she was asked during the 2019 campaign to apologise to the father of one of the Warrington victims, he later said that she "repeatedly refused to disavow her comments supporting the IRA bombing which took Tim’s and Johnathan’s young lives proving she hasn’t changed her original views".

It's not just the BXP: Munira Mirza, former RCP member and Living Marxism writer, has been involved with the new Tory party manifesto.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 13:20

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Boris Johnson should steal Labour's £500bn plan and do it without the Latin American populism, writes Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/06/boris-johnson-should-steal-labours-500bn-plan-do-without-latin/

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Grin

GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/11/2019 13:21

In relation to the GFA the IRA was a generation ago. Dissident Republicans (in very small numbers) opposed to the GFA have existed since 1998. Their actions are universally condemned.

Its brexit that has stoked old antagonisms.

Peregrina · 07/11/2019 13:23

So this remain alliance is likely to succeed in putting the Conservative back in parliament.

I think we'd need to know the make up of the individual seats - in Oxford West and Abingdon, the Greens have since the year 2000 polled about 2000 votes. Layla Moran got in with 816 votes, so collecting a few votes from the Greens should have helped her. I wouldn't think all one time Greens would have voted for her, some will have voted Labour.

Wantage, although it's an adjacent constituency, is much more of a long shot for the LibDems. Ed Vaizey had a big majority, and Labour came second last time. Now if he had been standing as an Independent then yes, it would have been all to play for. Now, I think the pig in the blue rosette is likely to win.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:26

Peregrina yes of course.

But I think, at best, this remain alliance complicates things for voters. It's not necessarily the way to go for tactical voting.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:26

Claire Fox is also quoted in this fascinating article about reporting of the Bosnian genocide (Living Marxism, of which she was the publisher, got taken to court by ITN because LM accused ITN journalists of falsely reporting the genocide in Bosnia. ITN won the case; Fox refused to apologise).

The article has nowt to do with Brexit but it's a fascinating piece on the history of British journalism.

quillette.com/2019/11/01/denial-and-defamation-the-itn-lm-libel-trial-revisited-i/

derxa · 07/11/2019 13:28

In relation to the GFA the IRA was a generation ago. Dissident Republicans (in very small numbers) opposed to the GFA have existed since 1998. Their actions are universally condemned. You're very confident in your assertions. How on earth do you know this with any accuracy?

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 13:28

Just found Corbyns speech on remaining and I agreed with him for the most part then and still do now

Europe needs to change… but I am voting to stay: Corbyn’s full speech on the EU

labourlist.org/2016/04/europe-needs-to-change-but-i-am-voting-to-stay-corbyns-full-speech-on-the-eu/

GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/11/2019 13:30

How do I know? History and reality.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:31

I'm really happy to listen to handwringing about Corbyn and the IRA if we can also have a discussion about terrorism denial at the heart of the BXP and on the well-connected margins of the the Tory party. But I don't think that there will be any takers.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 13:32

Dissident Republicans (in very small numbers) opposed to the GFA have existed since 1998. Their actions are universally condemned.

Genuinely, derxa: what is controversial about this statement?

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 13:32

Haven't you just contradicted yourself there DGR? I thought any violence was evil?

It is. But I'm not the only one that manages to square circles in my mind. Human existence is in itself contradictory anyway.

If you understood what I wrote, you'd see the joins.

Totally happy to condemn all and any violence by the IRA, by the way, along with any regime that's happy to set drones on innocent civilians.

Anyway, I believe that the British government was more than happy to let it's own citizens be bombed as a posture, rather than do anything to address the reason why they were being killed. And the fact I am able to write this to you unable to recall the last time I worried about an IRA bomb tells me that all the while all the while innocent people would still be alive if the British government had jaw-jawed rather then war-warred.

HesterThrale · 07/11/2019 13:38

tobee I think the Remain Alliance kind of ‘uncomplicates’ things for voters as there are fewer candidates to choose from.
However tactical voting could complicate matters where there is conflicting advice.
On this summary site there are several constituencies which have been advised LD by one organisation and Lab by another.

www.livefrombrexit.com/tacticals/

borntobequiet · 07/11/2019 13:40

It’s not contradictory to state that violence is both evil and effective, and implies no value judgement.

placemats · 07/11/2019 13:40

Derxa

The people who murdered Lyra were breakaway dissidents. There was a piece on last night's Newsnight - last 10 minutes and it's worth watching.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000b348

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 13:40

I'm really happy to listen to handwringing about Corbyn and the IRA if we can also have a discussion about terrorism denial at the heart of the BXP and on the well-connected margins of the the Tory party.

Totally happy to condemn all and any violence by the IRA, by the way, along with any regime that's happy to set drones on innocent civilians.

Two perfect examples of how the left can’t even put up the pretence of accepting valid criticism without cramming some whataboutery into the very same sentence.

Is there a special school where this stuff gets taught? You do it so automatically...

Oakenbeach · 07/11/2019 13:42

Big mistake in my eyes is Swinson and the LibDems solely pushing remain at the expense of appearing centrist. Why not do both?

Yes, Swinson comes across as an dogmatic activist than a unifier.... when what the country desperately needs is the latter.

bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 13:42

Find myself weirdly agreeing with Cendrilliion on this.
It's not fucking handwringing if you were ever caught up in a bomb attack.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:43

My head 🤯 Hester. Still, I'm minded to vote Labour as tactical vote here. But there's a long way to go.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 13:43

Two perfect examples of how the left can’t even put up the pretence of accepting valid criticism without cramming some whataboutery into the very same sentence.

Who said I was left wing ?

Oh, you did.

I didn't.

placemats · 07/11/2019 13:43

Sorry Derxa

It was Tuesday's Newsnight from 30 minutes onward.

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b1qv/newsnight-05112019

placemats · 07/11/2019 13:45

It's not fucking handwringing if you were ever caught up in a bomb attack.

I've been caught up in several and I understand what DGR is saying.

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