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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/11/2019 12:27

I think it's fair to say Britain hasn't taken much interest in ireland, the ignorance over the GFA and the border proved that. Peoples knowledge of ireland, historically came through the troubles i.e IRA bad guys but no understanding of how Irish republicanism came about or Britains role in Ireland.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 12:27

John McDonnell on Ian Austin: "He’s now employed by the Tories. What else do you expect him to do in an election campaign. When you’re employed by the Tories you speak on behalf of the Tories"

LouiseCollins28 · 07/11/2019 12:30

Haven't you just contradicted yourself there DGR? I thought any violence was evil?

derxa · 07/11/2019 12:34

Cue a couple of bombs in the city Your tone is off

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 12:35

John McDonnell on Ian Austin: "He’s now employed by the Tories. What else do you expect him to do in an election campaign. When you’re employed by the Tories you speak on behalf of the Tories"

A typical smear from McDonnell. Ian Austin is a trade envoy to Israel. Such envoys are unpaid, but the government covers the travel expenses for their work.

For example, Rushanara Ali, the current Labour MP for Bethnal Green & Bow, is the government’s trade envoy to Bangladesh - is she “employed by the Tories”?

Try switching the agitprop machine off and turning it on again, Just!

GingerPCatt · 07/11/2019 12:36

@CendrillonSings
You said that if labour get in they would be in for a generation. To do that they’d have to be voted in repeatedly at least every 5 years. Are you implying that labours policies are so great that the voters will support them for a generation? Surely if labour’s policies are as horrific as you claim, if they did win this next election with a majority (which is highly unlikely), they’d be soundly voted out at the next election.

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 12:36

Haven't you just contradicted yourself there DGR? I thought any violence was evil?

Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. Weaselly in the extreme.

placemats · 07/11/2019 12:37

I think you have missed or misunderstood DGR's valid point.

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 12:39

You said that if labour get in they would be in for a generation. To do that they’d have to be voted in repeatedly at least every 5 years. Are you implying that labours policies are so great that the voters will support them for a generation?

No, I meant that it would cement the far left’s control of the Labour Party for a generation. And since all parties lose power eventually, that would lead to a far left Labour Party coming to power. That’s been Corbyn’s strategy from the beginning - transform the Labour Party and let time and political gravity do its work.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 12:39

My understanding is to put it mildly, rather different on Corbyn and his support for the IRA.

Were you also concerned about the Brexit party candidates who supported the IRA and still refuse to condemn IRA violence?

There are quite a number of former RCP/Living Marxism people associated with both the Brexit party and the Tory party (including one person supposedly involved in writing the Tory party manifesto).

These people supported nationalist terrorism in Ireland, and also some other grubby causes, like genocide denial in Bosnia.

ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 12:40

The IRA was a generation ago.
Only the crass stupidity of the Tories calling a Brexit referendum
and then bollocksing it up
made the Irish Border a news story again.

I hope that the Tories get utterly whumped next month
and that some sort of parliamentary pact is hatched to Revoke A50

because only then can the UK move forward to tackle the real issues
like Climate Change
before its too late

LouiseCollins28 · 07/11/2019 12:50

I would certainly be concerned by Brexit party candidates who supported the IRA and/or refused to condemn IRA violence. Who are these people please?

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 12:53

Regarding Ian Austin, the position is unpaid (though generously expensed); however trade envoys are considered to form part of what is called the "payroll vote", which is the group of MPs that are considered to have a formal or informal obligation to vote with the government.

ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 12:53

Louise
Claire Fox for a start
Aileen Quinton comes up on News search

derxa · 07/11/2019 12:54

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/19/new-ira-and-saoradh-face-backlash-over-lyra-mckee
The IRA was a generation ago.
I'm sure the family and friends of Lyra McKee agree Hmm

tobee · 07/11/2019 12:55

I'm very sceptical about the remain alliance. To me the most important thing right now is making sure Boris Johnson does not have a majority at the very least.

But the remain alliance is working for the LibDem in my constituency. Despite the fact that LibDem have come third a long way behind second place Labour, with Conservatives returning the MP. So this remain alliance is likely to succeed in putting the Conservative back in parliament.

Alsohuman · 07/11/2019 12:58

Our constituency is the same @tobee. I think it only works in marginals.

tobee · 07/11/2019 12:58

Just when the start of election campaigning period was looking less than great for the Tories, the opposition parties look like giving them a huge boost by their behaviour since yesterday evening.

bellinisurge · 07/11/2019 12:59

"The IRA was a generation ago."
Utterly ridiculous naive nonsense.

LouiseCollins28 · 07/11/2019 12:59

Thanks Listening I looked at her wiki entry and missed the reference to that at first glance, but it is there, yuk!

HesterThrale · 07/11/2019 12:59

Louise
Within a parliamentary election just how much more extreme can you get than a group of candidates, denying voters the opportunity to vote for other candidates for the express purpose of overturning a direct democratic result.

Possibly this is a different conversation about our current FPTP system, but many LD/Plaid/Green voters have always felt unrepresented, as their votes never count. At least this way they have a chance of representation. There are always millions of voters for smaller parties who get proportionately very little representation in the Commons.

(With the Euro elections, in my region I have MEPs who I really disagree with, but also others who I actually agree with and vote for. It feels fairer and more democratic. I have some representation.)

Also they’re not overturning a direct democratic result. That hasn’t happened yet.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:00

Big mistake in my eyes is Swinson and the LibDems solely pushing remain at the expense of appearing centrist. Why not do both?

DarlingNikita · 07/11/2019 13:01

Thanks Red. I quite liked Tom Watson and I agree with pps who've said it'll drive some more moderate types to the LDs.

MockersthefeMANist · 07/11/2019 13:02

Following last night's knockout, Zahawi was back for a rematch with Andrew Neil this lunchtime, and still can't make sense or add up.

tobee · 07/11/2019 13:03

Although they've indulged in pretty weird behaviour recently in this regard, talking to Dh yesterday, he says that the difference between the Tories and the other parties, that often seems to be missed by those other parties, is that the Tories put winning elections above everything,