Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

• ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -

before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

• in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake

I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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There are billions to be made from a No Deal Brexit

There are billions to be made everywhere

Brexit is easy billions.

The question is, at what level of difficulty does it become uneconomic ? and how can we make it so ?

Pmk

I would be more worried for his life if he's in hock to some of Vlad's friends - people who don't deliver for him or oppose him end up dead behind locked doors....... the the police here are depressingly uninterested.......

Hedy Lamarr! What an all round amazing woman! Imagine having all that going for you!

My mum has 10 years on yours Tobee and she adored Blair, but living in NI meant she couldn't vote for him.

She cannot for the life of her understand why anyone would vote to leave the EU. She was a teenager during WW2 and her dad suffered from PTSD after serving in WW1. The EU, to her, brings peace and stability.

Good to hear about your mum, placemats. I like to mention about my mum (and dad) coz she (and he) go into a rage when people cast aspersions that all older people voted leave!

There are billions to be made from a No Deal Brexit

How and who buy? I keep seeing this written but am not sure of the specifics.

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My mum is the same Tobee. Good to know that the oldest of those living in GB have the sense and sensibility to recognise a good thing when they see it.

Does anyone remember the phrase 'trickle down economy'? I was reminded of this when watching Norman Lamont on QT last night.

fedup Billions will be made, but none of the hoi polloi will ever see it.

Billions will be made, but none of the hoi polloi will ever see it.

Yes, I keep seeing people write that-can someone explain why, who and how?

So, the real question is: how can we get out of this impasse?

1. Offer Johnson an election WITH a confirmatory referendum. I would really love to see his face on this one as if he says no, he is running scared of his deal and if he says yes, he will be crucified on the detail.

2. Revoke quietly. Just kick everything to a committee and say they are working on a report. Defer until a way has been found that works for the majority. (What May should have done originally).

3. Pass this deal with several amendments the will effectively offer a softer Brexit, depending on the GE winners. I personally think that's where we are heading now.

As it stands, we have an uncouth Government leader who cannot pass unpopular legislation, based on an advisory referendum through an unwilling Parliament on behalf of a electorate who may no longer want it.

Currency shorting id imagine fedup

fedup21 - trickle down economics = the rich need to be encouraged to get richer and eventually see, possibly, just maybe that wealth will trickle down and help the rest of us mere mortals They need to be incentivised with more money in order to do this

This will apparently benefit the economy.

Simultaneously, the poor people, at the bottom of the pile, need to have money taken off them in order to incentivise them to work

Cynical, moi?

DarkAtTheEndOfUk - you asked (?) pages ago about Irish history. I found this series to be excellent.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_Ireland by Fegal Keane. It may still be available on BBC IPlayer was an excellent 5 part series on Ireland from pre-historic times to 2010.

...sorry, I misread that as a question about trickle down economics

I thought trickle down economics didn’t really work as rich people tend to save/invest any extra income they have whereas if people on low income get increased personal allowance/extra benefits etc they spend that money so it does boost the economy. I’m no expert however it’s just what I’ve read previously in terms of austerity measures/Boris tax cut for the rich etc

The state will be rolled back to private investors from other countries outside the EU. Currently, many big EU companies do invest in the UK, for example energy providers.

This link is good on disaster capitalism, which Brexit will undoubtedly unleash. However, I think the EU will have some say on the assets it has already invested in. The EU isn't going to give up that easily.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/04/disaster-capitalism-tory-right-brexit-roll-back-state

Mine (in their 80s) are staunch Remainer too. I’ve seen my mum in tears over this and my dad is furious - he was instrumental in getting EU funding for jobs in our small town when the steelworks closed and can’t believe that friends of his who knew this and benefited, voted leave. (Led by the nose he says)
And don’t get him started on the impact on horse racing.

Prettybird and Limited have demonstrated that 'trickle down economics' doesn't work.

And don’t get him started on the impact on horse racing.

I am afraid that as far as I am concerned one of the few good things about Brexit will be people who go racing having that moment of realisation.

Currency shorting id imagine fedup

I still don’t understand?!

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/brit-eye-for-an-indian-bhai/if-the-uk-wants-an-indian-trade-deal-then-brexiteers-should-stop-banging-on-about-the-empire/

After having Ireland neatly put Uk in it’s place, next in line India.

For those of us in the UK who continue to fanaticize about pith helmets, dinner parties at the Governor General’s residence or going tiger hunting on elephant back, if and when Brexit finally happens, we may just get a taste of proper colonization ourselves.

I watched an Ireland v Italy game in a Trump casino in 1994: we were all a bit shocked at the IRA songs being sung by the band as warm up......

RE the Irish American link, it's not just historical but an ongoing relationship. I'm in my forties and it was (and I understand still is) a rite of passage for Irish students to do their J1 summer. It's a visa that allows you work in the US for a summer as long as you're going back to 3rd level. AFAIK it's available for all EU students but generally it's Irish students who take advantage. Many of us stayed with relatives who helped find us jobs in pubs and restaurants across the states, deepening cultural ties and links. Certainly in the 9os, many US summer resorts from the Hamptons to Wildwood were staffed by Irish J1 students. Friends of mine even worked for the Kennedys, who often employed J1 students in their summer houses. I don't think there's a similar depth of exchange with the UK and it goes far beyond misguided support for the IRA.

Fedup The divorce bill alone will cost £33 billion. However, BJohnson has already said that a crash out, i.e. no deal, will negate this. This is a highly irresponsible, high stakes move to make.

fullfact.org/europe/no-deal-divorce-bill-payment/