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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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TheMustressMhor · 22/10/2019 19:50

And it is remarkably quiet in The Brexit Arms at the moment.

They cannot quite believe that their hero has failed them.

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:51

Money and Ways & Means resolutions pulled, so there is no wherewithall for the bill to proceed.

So much for getting things done.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2019 19:52

Is BJ that ignorant, or just pretending Hmm

He should know that it became too late yesterday (probably even last Saturday) to Brexit on 31 October, because there is no time for EP approval

So it was always going to need an extension for at least 2 weeks, even if the HoC had passed his damn timing today.

SansaSnark · 22/10/2019 19:53

Do we think this is it for tonight?

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:54

We're waiting for Moggot

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2019 19:54

Without money, nothing can happen

MrsMaiselsMuff · 22/10/2019 19:54

Honestly who could ever think that a generational shift could be passed within three days or so.

A good proportion of the 17.2 million leave voters. I genuinely try to give the benefit of the doubt, but without even understanding what the WA consists of, they still think it's as simple as 'out means out'.

WoollyMollyMonkey · 22/10/2019 19:54

I’m getting a ditch digging party together - any volunteers?

prettybird · 22/10/2019 19:55

Is that how he hopes to get a GE?

Getting the QS voted down? Hmm

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 19:56

Johnson: "Let's Get Brexit Paused"

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:56

I’m getting a ditch digging party together

There's a Heathrow 3rd Runway bulldozer he was going to lie down in front of going spare.

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:58

And Val Vaz says House has been 'jerked around,' which is parliamentary language, it seems.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 19:58

Think it's more optics for the, '... and I said to him "no, you move your car" and he didn't, so I rammed him. Wrote off my car but I showed him ..,' crowd.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 19:58

Oh, those hilarious Roman Catholic allusions to purgatory ...

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 20:01

You know, there will have been MPs there who have tied themselves in knots about which way to vote.

And Johnson does this. To whore everyone and everything out for the Brexit votes that will win him a GE.

Despicable.

TorchesTorches · 22/10/2019 20:01

JRM is such an awful shit. (and agree about Priti Ps resting smirk face)

Outsomnia · 22/10/2019 20:01

The PM cannot decide on an election just because he wants one.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 20:02

JRM is sooooooo patronising.
First, we get the 'Professional Catholic' schtick, then he drawls on about 'not here to please the Crown'.
And as for dragging his son through protesting crowds last week...
Ugh, I loathe him.

OublietteBravo · 22/10/2019 20:04

Surely he’s going to struggle to blame either parliament or the EU for Brexit being delayed. Parliament aren’t blocking it - just asking for time to scrutinise the legislation. The EU are being patience personified. If he hadn’t been faffing around illegally proroguing parliament and campaigning for a GE he’s - thus far - failed to trigger, then he might have had enough parliamentary time to Brexit on 31 October.

ARoomWithoutADoor · 22/10/2019 20:05

Like Blair, I find it hard to swallow being lectured on Christianity by someone with no morals or personal Christian behaviour.

EllebellyBeeblebrox · 22/10/2019 20:05

I fucking hate JRM. He's a worse cunt than Bozo, and he's a massive cunt.

mrslaughan · 22/10/2019 20:05

DH thinks it's about election optics - he doesn't want a deal before an election- because he will get more votes as the man to deliver a deal (but really would they fall for that now?)

Daily fail headline interesting is it's complete Disingenuous interpretation of what happened tonight- very scary if that's how you get your news.
This country needs not only election reforms but also media.....

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2019 20:08

So basically the government is now having a massive tantrum because they've been told they need to slow down? All toys out of pram, bats and balls have been taken home, the lot? Fabulous.

LouiseCollins28 · 22/10/2019 20:08

This 31st October deadline is clearly nonsense. Extra time for consideration sounds like a good idea to me. I am pleased the house has approved and that it has afforded time for extra time. My only reservation is that we will now get all sorts of nonsence, I hope not.

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2019 20:09

So the government is now having a massive tantrum because they've been told that they have to slow down? All toys are out of the pram, bats and balls have been taken home, the lot? Fabulous.