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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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ContinuityError · 22/10/2019 20:13

Reckon the EU will go for the Benn Act 31/1/20 extension, with the option to terminate early if Johnson’s WA is passed by Parliament.

Don’t think the EU will want to rock the boat on timings or be responsible for a no deal.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 20:14

Otto English on Johnson the Security Risk.

bylinetimes.com/2019/10/22/the-curious-tale-of-the-russian-spys-son-and-the-man-who-would-be-king-of-the-world/

borntobequiet · 22/10/2019 20:14

We’ve had all sorts of nonsense for over three years now. It won’t be stopping soon.

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2019 20:15

So the government is now having a massive tantrum because they've been told that they have to slow down? All toys are out of the pram, bats and balls have been taken home, the lot? Fabulous.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 20:15

Oh, if only the Cherry amendment had passed.

This would be over now.

tobee · 22/10/2019 20:16

Bad mistake on my part trying to eat my dinner when I'm still stressed from the votes 😩

JeSuisPoulet · 22/10/2019 20:17

Trouble is with the tabloids like the Fail, they have already re-written decades of us being in the EU as well as everything since the ref, so they can't really go back and explain what really is happening as too many readers would be...oh wait, no, I don't think they would notice actually Blush
The fact Brexit is still front page news for tabloids speaks to the importance of it for the Tory party (election) and not much else in my view. These readers never really wanted to know what their vote would bring or we would have heard about the uplands, just that they 'won'.

Ellie56 · 22/10/2019 20:17

What was the Cherry amendment? I've forgotten.

QuentinWinters · 22/10/2019 20:18

From the BBC
"A spokesman from the European Commission said: "[The Commission] takes note of tonight's result and expects the UK government to inform us about the next steps.""

Grin

Boris is in a pickle.......

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 20:19

The Conservative Independents who voted against the timetable:

Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
Peregrina · 22/10/2019 20:19

just asking for time to scrutinise the legislation.

You would think that any half way sensible Brexiter would want that, to make sure that any Deal eventually agreed was robust enough to last. As it stands, Johnson and Rees-Moggs half cock ideas are likely to fall apart quickly. OK for them because they will make a lot of money and they will be able to buy their way out of problems.

But as I said, people seem to have taken leave of their senses. It's a pity we can't restrict the medication and food shortages to Leavers, so that they are first in the queue for what they voted for.

As for the media, people have to stop buying the filthy rags or clicking onto their websites.

runningintothesunset · 22/10/2019 20:20

FFS Rosie Cooper voted for the deal and then abstained on the programme motion. Clearly my emails to her are not having any effect. Why would you abstain on something so important for the future of this country Hmm

Peregrina · 22/10/2019 20:22

The fact Brexit is still front page news for tabloids speaks to the importance of it for the Tory party (election) and not much else in my view.

Monday's tabloids weren't all about Brexit. I can't remember what they were about, some sort of trivia. Of course, a decent paper would have said that a million took to the streets two days earlier.

flouncyfanny · 22/10/2019 20:24

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Peregrina · 22/10/2019 20:24

As long as the 31st October deadline is missed. Then Johnson has failed.

JeSuisPoulet · 22/10/2019 20:24

I remember us all saying that if jobs were at risk, those voting Leave should be the first to go. I also remember Leavers arguing that it wouldn't be "fair" to divide the country up like that and would be discriminatory Hmm. Looks like remainer bosses could have a field day with the more "annoying" office colleagues if we end up with less workers rights after all! Wink

JeSuisPoulet · 22/10/2019 20:26

The 19 Labour MP's who voted for the 'deal'

tobee · 22/10/2019 20:27

If he won't die in a ditch he should at leat resign the cunting twat.

flouncyfanny · 22/10/2019 20:29

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wondering7777 · 22/10/2019 20:30

Ok - I’m so confused. Please can someone explain to me in a nutshell what this means? Is it good news for Remainers or bad?

OublietteBravo · 22/10/2019 20:32

How confident is Johnson that no one else could form a government? I’m wondering if he might actually be mad enough to try and use the QS debate to VONC his own government in the hope of triggering a GE.

ContinuityError · 22/10/2019 20:32

I’m thinking very Shakespearean thoughts with the idea of TM sidling up to Johnson and whispering into his ear “so how are you enjoying being PM so far, Boris?”.

StealthPolarBear · 22/10/2019 20:33

My interpretation, happy to be corrected as I'm in my usual state of confusion, is that were heading for a GE, which brexit will be pretty much the deciding issue. And anything could happen.
In reality Boris will win, deal will go through and we'll leave on 31st March with all arguments exhausted :(

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 20:33

Labour MPs who voted for the programme motion:

Kevin Barron
Jim Fitzpatrick
Caroline Flint
Kate Hoey
John Mann

WTF Hoey? Thought she would have voted against with her DUP pals. The other 4 are no surprise.

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