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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:15

Fuck

flouncyfanny · 22/10/2019 19:15

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Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:15

Actually Bercows I've met Starmer too ( this is getting outing)
He's of a similar mould, but quite short

prettybird · 22/10/2019 19:15

Ayes 329
Noes 299

Government wins Sad

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:15

Bugger.

Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:15

Shit

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:15

First win Boris Johnson the cunt

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:15

DUP will vote against programme motion.

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Given they were dedicated to fighting this every step of the way, it would have been strange if they hadn't. Good news, but numbers still tight.
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Sky Sources say the DUP will vote against the Government's programme motion setting out the timetable for the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:15

Govt wins by 30 votes.

Now let's see

flouncyfanny · 22/10/2019 19:16

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prettybird · 22/10/2019 19:16

That suggests a lot of Labour rebels voted for it Angry

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 19:16

I know.

But I'm intending to hold grudges against Labour MPs who helped this.

So, those ones are (temporarily) off the list.

Dontlickthetrolley · 22/10/2019 19:16

No extra people this time, may need this to calm down

Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
Outsomnia · 22/10/2019 19:16

I'd be ok with the timetable thing falling TBH. It is just so tight timewise honestly. However if if passes it is a total two fingers to democracy really IMV of course.

But why should anything ever surprise me now.

I don't think anyone wants Brexit now, and are trying very hard to find ways to avoid it. Hopefully.

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:17

So if the Noes get this one what happens next.

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:17

That's actually pretty tight. There were a lot of MPs who were explicit about wanting time to debate and amend. Only 15 votes in it.

Apileofballyhoo · 22/10/2019 19:17

I wonder who voted for it.

JeSuisPoulet · 22/10/2019 19:17

I'm sure it's been mentioned with you guys but driving today and heard on R4 BoZO starting his speech in Parliament, 10 mins later the news says "a senior govt source" has said if they don't vote through this deal it will be No Deal. So, who is really our PM here? Yes, later Bozo appeared to reiterate it, but from what I heard he hadn't said as much as PM to Parliament until Cummings released that gem to the press Hmm

Icantreachthepretzels · 22/10/2019 19:17

So ... what just passed? Confused

Owlsintowels · 22/10/2019 19:17

Does 30 count as tight or not? Which way is the wind blowing? So tense and soooo confused

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:18

Mark and Dr Ruth 😍😍

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:18

Right, what's this next vote about? What's the timetable? Am so confused.

Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:19

Well we have avoided an immediate GE anyway...

ClashCityRocker · 22/10/2019 19:19

Are the dup abstaining?

barnun · 22/10/2019 19:19

I don't think anyone wants Brexit now, and are trying very hard to find ways to avoid it. Hopefully.

I soooooooooooo hope you're right.

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