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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:02

@flouncyfanny well, it's only good manners to have dinner first!

Mini Bercow is insisting on talking when I'm trying to listen so forgive me but do we want the ayes or noes this time? I'm thinking noes but I've lost what's going on.

barnun · 22/10/2019 19:04

Oh sorry dontlick! If it's any consolation you look lovely and I'm sure Kyle would be all over you if he was straight GrinGrin

TokyoSushi · 22/10/2019 19:04

Just checking in to say I'm here and watching 😬

Monst3ra · 22/10/2019 19:05

This is 2nd Reading. Trying to get bedtime done ASAP. Relying on this thread to keep me updated.

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:06

If the programme motion is a tie, how would the Speaker vote? I understand it's for the status quo in the case of a bill, but don't know about how it works for a programme motion.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 19:06

Did Robert Buckland justice secretary just 'promise' a government amendment to allow a parliamentary vote in (or after??) July to extend implementation period if necessary? I take it that's all bollocks, because the government will never deem it necessary on our glorious route to crashing out next December?

Also why didn't Johnson sum up?

MockersthefeMANist · 22/10/2019 19:06

Now on the 2nd Reading vote, which govt. might win, but if they do, then they vote on the timetable, and they aint winning that.

Expect BJ to stamp his feet and demand an election.

Expect opposition to refuse and watch him strangle as he dangles.

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:08

I am expecting 2nd reading to go through but hoping it will be unexpectedly tight for the gov't.

Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:08

I've met Dominic G a number of times. He is charming, lovely and very interesting. Disarming and modest too.
( as you were, I'll stop with the fangirling !)

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:08

LOCK THE DOORS

What do we think??

barnun · 22/10/2019 19:09

I've absolutely no idea. None.

ClashCityRocker · 22/10/2019 19:10

I think this will go through.

The programme motion maybe not.

Dontlickthetrolley · 22/10/2019 19:10

@barnum that's not me 🤣

prettybird · 22/10/2019 19:11

Envy Grinchly (for once, the Envy does mean envy Grin)

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:11

Why was I stupid enough to think this was a good week for fasting, no alcohol and healthy eating week? Hmm

TheOliphantintheRoom · 22/10/2019 19:11

I feel sick ...

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:12

Get in line Hoooo. Although I'd prefer Starmer.

One thing that's really struck me today in the bits I've managed to listen to, is the variety of accents in the HoC. There is such a broad range from working class Northern and southern to plummy Southern. Scottish, Northern Irish, Welsh. Accents fascinate me and it's fascinated me today to hear in one room so many "British" accents. My own is posh (ish) Northern apparently but not particularly Northern, just not southern or anything discernible Confused I moved around a lot. Random waffling as I'm nervous Blush

Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:12

I think bill will squeak through but timetabling one won't....

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:12

What exactly is the programme motion. So confused.

barnun · 22/10/2019 19:12

dontlick hahaha I had no idea either way Grin

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:13

Tautology because I'm tense Sad

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 19:14

Thanks for the list of CU signatories, MShip.

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:14

Potter the programme motion is the gov't saying this has to be done in 3(?) days. It's the timetabling of debate.

chakra2 · 22/10/2019 19:14

Do you think we actually will leave the EU in the end?
I'm no longer convinced we will 🤣

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:14

thecat that CU signatory list may well end up being academic depending what happens tonight!

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