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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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tobee · 22/10/2019 19:19

DUP abstaining Confused

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 19:19

Timetable - stick to Johnson's timetable or allow more scrutiny

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/10/2019 19:19

Jon Worth
@jonworth
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Prediction:

2nd Reading goes FOR the Government
Roughly 330 to 300

Programme Motion (the crucial one, and the second Division) will go AGAINST the Government
319 to 309 is my prediction

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:19

@Icantreachthepretzels wind. They just passed wind.

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:19

Ian Dunt is optimistic.

Given the numbers there, you would expect it to be defeated. DUP must have voted against. That's ten. Would expect there to be over five Labour pro-dealers and indie Tories backing deal who'd oppose programme motion.

bellinisurge · 22/10/2019 19:19

@BercowsFlyingFlamingo , it's "do we have a quickie " and get it done by 31 October

DorisDaysDadsDogsDead · 22/10/2019 19:19

Am I the only one who thinks "Lock the doors" should be closely followed by "Release the lions"?

Peregrina · 22/10/2019 19:20

Let us have a list of Labour MPs who voted with the Government, and will be happy to sell their constituents down the river, because they 'have to obey the will of the people'.

thecatfromjapan · 22/10/2019 19:20

Bloody DUP.

Vote against it, you pillocks.

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:20

@tobee yesss. Mark and the box sets comment. I guffawed.

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:20

Fuuuucccckkkk!

SansaSnark · 22/10/2019 19:20

The timetable is the 3 days to discuss/vote on everything.

Icantreachthepretzels · 22/10/2019 19:21

Bercows Grin

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:21

Re DUP my comment

BigChocFrenzy · 22/10/2019 19:21

MShip Some of my fav mil scifi series:

Elizabeth Moon: The Deed of Paksenarrion, books 1-3
David Weber: the Honor Harrington Series
David Drake: the RCN Series
Jack Campbell: JAG in space, 4 books
Mark E Cooper: The Merkiaari Wars
Evan Currie: On Silver Wings series
Jonathan Brazee: Women of the United Federation Marine Corps, series

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 22/10/2019 19:21

Thanks @bellinisurge. There's a time and place for quickies. This isn't one of them.

Grinchly · 22/10/2019 19:21

Doris GrinGrinGrinGrin

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:21

Nope, Dunt had it wrong.

Fuck no. Mistake there. The DUP abstained. That's very bad. Means programme motion might well have the numbers.

DarkAtEndOfUk · 22/10/2019 19:21

Johnson's method of running down the clock meets success.

"I don't think anyone wants Brexit now". Some people should have thought more at the time about what they were really voting for, some people should read more, bloody Labour and Remain both should have done their bloody work, and we should have had some real democracy for the last 30 years. Not this twisted sham of it.

prettybird · 22/10/2019 19:21

I reckon Onn, Nandy and Flint voted with the fucking devil BJ Angry

TheMShip · 22/10/2019 19:22

Thanks BCF!! I have only read Elizabeth Moon before, will seek out the rest.

PotterHead1985 · 22/10/2019 19:22

I agree. I want a list of the fuckers from Labour who voted with BoZo as I no longer have time for them.

AutumnCrow · 22/10/2019 19:22

Release the lions Grin love it, Doris.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/10/2019 19:22

Patrick Maguire
@patrickkmaguire
The DUP are not abstaining. They’re just taking their time getting up.

tobee · 22/10/2019 19:23

We knew it wasn't a good idea to rely on the DUP for anything!!!