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Westminstenders: Extension or No Extension

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RedToothBrush · 20/10/2019 08:26

Johnson has sent a letter he said he never would asking for an extension.

We now wait to see what the EU come back with.

It's likely to be a technical extension. At best.

France are really not happy with the idea of an extension and Macron is flexing his muscles with the EU at the moment. He has been prepared to upset all the other EU countries as he proved with blocking progress on accession to the EU for Northern Macedonia and Albania this week. Macron is fighting his own domestic battles.

It looks as if Johnson now has a majority for a deal. What that deal will ultimately look like will be dictated by the Withdrawal Agreement Bill which sets out implementation of the Withdrawal Act.

However, with the DUP firmly offside the chances of a vote of no confidence go up. As do the chances of an election.

And its also worth pointing out that whilst the WAB is legally binding if we have an election and Johnson gets a majority, then there can always be changes made to domestic law. (implementation of the WA rather than the agreement principles of the WA agreed with the EU).

Thus any 'assurances' over workers rights and regulatory standards are only as good as long as this parliament...

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BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 21/10/2019 21:14

Christ, don't go in there. The atmosphere is toxic. It's like a dark satanic mill.

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:14

FadingStar 😁 That's what we want to hear!

Hoooo · 21/10/2019 21:16

Let's hope so...divide up that right wing loony vote :)

BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2019 21:16

Each is well over 100 pages - a lot for MPs to analyse in a hurry:

European Withdrawal Bill:

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2019-2020/0007/20007.pdf

Explanatory Notes

publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2019-2020/0007/en/20007en.pdf

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:17

The traitor Johnson is selling us out. He's going to go soft on Brexit as soon as a GE is out of the way.
We won't accept this.
Give us No Deal.
I'm voting for the Brexit Party because they don't let us down.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2019 21:18

It would take me several days to really go through those documents and analyse them
I doubt if most MPs would be much quicker

FadingStar · 21/10/2019 21:18

😂😂Now that's a great idea. I will venture on to the Mail again tomorrow and get the ball rolling for old Nige. And hey I will actually see what it is like to get more green arrows than red for once. 😂

FadingStar · 21/10/2019 21:20

Cat before I saw your name I was like WTF who is this? Had me fooled!!😂😂

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:22

Frances O'Grady @FrancesOGrady (General Secretary of the TUC) has tweeted:

'As expected, nothing in here to give working people the protection they need.'

I hope any wavering Labour MPs pay attention to that.

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:23

We have a plan, FadingStar, we have a plan.

It's actually quite cunning.

FadingStar · 21/10/2019 21:25

Might as well get some fun times through this mess Cat. Let's do it!

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:25

I'm not even going to try, BigChoc.

I'm hoping at least some MPs will.

With any luck, they'll divvy the papers up between their office workers, most of whom will be sprightly young grads ...

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:26

@FadingStar 😂

ClashCityRocker · 21/10/2019 21:28

I'd be wary of thinking Labour could repeat 2017.

It was a clusterfuck of a campaign from TM. I would expect Johnson's campaign to be very slick. A lot of the leave pages on SM were anti Theresa May, mostly on the basis that she was a remainer, albeit a quiet one. On the other hand, they bloody love Johnson. How the fuck we've got to the stage where a privelleged twonk like him represents the views of the 'common people'.....

My concern would be that a lot of tory voters who didn't like TM just stayed at home last time. I don't know that they will this time.

On the counterside, there may be a lot of former Labour voters and maybe lib dems who will hold their nose and vote for Corbyn if it prevents a no deal brexit...hell, I'm probably one of them myself.

TheMShip · 21/10/2019 21:32

So ... what'd I miss? Grin

j/k, have actually caught up on the thread while nursing my post-plane dry throat.

Turns out it was a good day to travel, though, because nothing really happened except Bercow pissed off the Tories/Leavers by doing his job and possibly that was their cunning plan all along but it could just have been incompetence/flounce on Saturday. And the WAIB has finally been published at the 11th (ok 9th) hour.

And so tomorrow, another day of fear and toil will dawn in Mordor Westminster ...

TheMShip · 21/10/2019 21:33

@RedToothBrush pretty please could you use "another day of fear and toil" in an upcoming thread title? I know I'm not the only Tolkien fan here Grin

squid4 · 21/10/2019 21:38

"It was a clusterfuck of a campaign from TM. I would expect Johnson's campaign to be very slick. A lot of the leave pages on SM were anti Theresa May, mostly on the basis that she was a remainer, albeit a quiet one. On the other hand, they bloody love Johnson. How the fuck we've got to the stage where a privelleged twonk like him represents the views of the 'common people'..... "

Johnson's not exactly been competent at anything despite the papers endlessly claiming he will be amazing. They were like that about May too. Why do you think his campaign would be any good? I think it would be shit. I think he believes his own press, which says he is a great campaigner over and over. But he's lazy and lies and I saw plenty of unhappy people when he actually tried to go up north where apparently he's going to clean up.

like May, he avoids scrutiny (wouldn't debate in the leadership campaign etc) and just parrots the same phrase over and over (remember how mocked Strong and Stable was in the end)

The damage of austerity is actually a LOT more evident than it was in 2017, plus climate change has become a huge issue for many people in only recent times. All that goes against Johnson

And moderate Tories and wavering people could stomach May. She was sorta inoffensive unless you looked closely. Who the fuck can stomach Johnson. I know a few "soft Tories" and they would never.

I'm scared, but I'm also massively dubious of this "johnson will campaign brilliantly" line. I think they keep saying it in the hope it will be a self fulfilling prophecy. Not cause it's got any evidence behind it.

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 21:42

This is an interesting twitter thread on possible compromise Brexits.

(Though it would all depend on not having nutters in charge.)

twitter.com/cer_grant/status/1186346506854506498?s=21

BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2019 21:47

We've seen how BJ was a very effective campaigner in London
He was elected twice
so he conned many voters into thinking he had done a good job

He reached the parts other Tories can't

May had never campaigned for anything except her own Home Counties seat

BigChocFrenzy · 21/10/2019 21:48

BJ is an excellent media performer; May is dreadful

Hoooo · 21/10/2019 21:50

I think Johnson has become a parody of himself to court the bxp voters.

Part of me thinks "give him enough rope" and he will completely lose remainer tories and the more sane/liberal members of the party, rather like JRMs comments about that Dr finally making Phillip Lee defect...

Ok, the bxp voters will lap it up - and Farage knows this I think - but I'm not sure that the 80,000 (?) Tory party members who voted for boris and the bxp voters are enough to win him a majority.
I guess the real danger imo is the bxp becoming the new DUP...

NoWordForFluffy · 21/10/2019 21:50

We need the Acuri thing to kick off properly, preventing BoZo from running off something like that. I hope the investigations conclude soon so action can be taken.

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2019 21:50

Agree re media yeh May was better at pmq than BJ

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2019 21:51

Yet

squid4 · 21/10/2019 21:52

When Johnson was mayor of london he was trying to be the "liberal" type of tory. Totally opposite to now

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