Brexit Arms pop up pops up again!

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Quite coincidentally I too have been in negotiations today regarding the pubs licence and it's good news here as well, a deal has been agreed!!

There were no amendments or legal objections put forward so a shiny new licence has been issued and normal service can be resumed

Same rules apply.

Now let's hope Saturday's proceedings can go ahead without the usual dicking around and that what has been nigh on impossible during the last 3 years, a majority, can be achieved otherwise I feel we are off to hell in a handcart!

First drink is on the house 🍻🍷🍻🍷Cheers

Dusty at no point have I said that playing to the ignorant makes their vote any less valid.

time4 I don’t think Cummings is the mastermind that the red tops makes him out to be.

Semantics darling, semantics

The 1975 referendum being a vote to remain not to join is a fact, not semantics.

Maybe both sides of the argument should be attacking Tony Blair and David Cameron for making a complete dog's dinner of the whole thing. Without their incompetence we would still be enjoying the benefit of the EU without the, perceived, disadvantages.

time4 I don’t think Cummings is the mastermind that the red tops makes him out to be

no idea what the red tops are saying but he's obviously got a strategy where no one else has. Time will tell if it's a stroke of mastermind or a complete misjudgement.

Frumpy that's very kind of you to worry about 65 million people.

I can see your genuine, especially the posts regarding civil disorder fashions. great tips.

But one can imagine the aristocracy in versailles saying the same thing thing to to the unhappy peasants. Patting their heads... Don't revolt, I'm very worried about you all, pleasant sweet matronly lady with large wig and bright pink cheeks , birds singing in there.. She plucks out a little macron and slips it to them smiling warmly... Or the Kings men during the American war of independence... Or infact any time there is a revolt... I don't want anyone's concern I want my personal vote honoured. My vote that went into a pot and went towards the winning vote.

. We are the 'people' our vote counts as much as yours, even if to every last woman, man, non gendered, whatever has zero education, or knowledge...

Our vote counts, its a vote born out of civil unrest way back when to the magna carta and before.

Our vote counts, us ignorant peasants (allegedly) who are not clever(allegedly) and don't know what brexit we want or don't want (allegedly ). It doesn't matter if none of us could say why...

Our vote counts, we want our vote honoured, we want to leave the eu. What sort of political system are we living in?

Hey thanks for that link continuity. I thought about double checking it was a straight Yes/No retrospectively on the "Deal" earlier but it landed in the cba bucket.

So in the interests of symmetry what we do is Leave and have an EU style confirmatory Yes/No vote a couple of years down the line on whether we are happy with how Leaving is going.

Actually if DC had done it properly he should have left in a fit of pique with Angela's non-concessions and then had the Ref after the Govt had sorted out Leaving. That would have been symmetrical with how we joined.

Anyone remember what happened to our Ref on Lisbon?

continuity suggest you stop embarrassing yourself. Hair splitting on that level would even make dear old Jo

Sorry meant to thank yellowpaper but thanks continuity for the contribution to the debate.

sunny. That is very well said. I'm ashamed to say I didn't vote as I can see the argument from both sides and it was raining cats and dogs and I had a cold.

But what is swaying me towards leave is the fact I either believe in democracy or I don't. And as I do I have to say I have been sickened at the lengths Remainers have gone to deny that vote. Sickened that MPs have ignored the people who voted them into office and sickened by the vile abuse so many Leavers receive on sites like this.

I'm also, I have to say, sickened by the likes of Farage and his cronies who have hijacked genuine voters for their racist agenda. Furious at Tony Blair for not managing free movement better and David Cameron for creating a shitstorm and then walking away. I used to vote Lib Dem but they dare to call themselves a Democratic Party yet deny democracy? Frankly I'm sick of all of them.

We could have had a nice soft Brexit with Theresa mays deal but because of the Remain antics, we have a not so good BJ one, and if they continue we will have no deal at all and that truly fucks up Leavers and Remainers.

Oh and I forgot Jeremy Corbyn and his true Leave stance, his about about face to try to convince people he was Remain, his complete lack of transparency and fence sitting, and other political shenanigans!

I shall vote green cos they is all crap 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Frumpy that's very kind of you to worry about 65 million people

You are most welcome, its all part of my job Usually I reign it in to 4-500 , but can extrapolate it out to include the entirety of the UK. Wherever you are in the UK there are people like me worrying about those under our care. And we do worry and so do the people we care for.

he's obviously got a strategy where no one else has.

I think he's just got his finger on the pulse of public opinion tbh

Tends to focus on the silent majority view rather than the vocal but narrow view

Is able to tap into the psychology of ordinary people & can understand & interpret it & apply strategies from there

I don't want anyone's concern I want my personal vote honoured.
My vote that went into a pot and went towards the winning vote.

Exactly this 👍

Frankly I'm sick of all of them

I can drink to that Yellow 🍷

Is able to tap into the psychology of ordinary people & can understand & interpret it & apply strategies from there

Some ordinary people don't get ahead of yourself there Dusty, we are all ordinary people, very few can hold their hands up and claim to be part of the Monarchy. Although an Eton education puts you closer than most.

Is able to tap into the psychology of ordinary people & can understand & interpret it & apply strategies from there

Did you actually mean to say this Dusty ???

Yes. Why?

Opinion piece from Mark Wallace explains quite well the frustration many of us have about the disingenuousness of Brexit-blockers

www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/opinion/remainer-mps-are-trying-to-thwart-brexit-with-endless-technical-disruptions-817741%3famp

Evenin' all. just popped in to say that at the moment I'm not going to waste any more braincells on HoC working out what they're doing.

I'll be back soon, this feeling I'm feeling will soon pass - but quite frankly doing a bit of hoovering, painting and workin' is a much better than thinkin' bout the latest 'cleverclogs' crap.

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Yes, good plan. Best not to end up with a brain cell overdraft.

We voted leave in a democratic referendum and we must leave.

If we stay then it is proven that we do not live in a democracy and any future vote is not worth the scrap of paper it is written on.

That leaves the population of 65 million at the mercy of marching, raving, screaming, flag waving, intelligent, fanatics who know they are superior.

Anyone else worried ?

It really comes to something when a non partisan newspaper actually comes out openly to say the Brexit blockers have been exposed as cynical manipulators of the constitutional process....... saying they respect the leave vote but blocking leave at every opportunity.

The reality is they are destroying every opportunity to get a good deal for the U.K. and the EU and if they carry on we will end up with no deal. They have damaged this country far more than any leave voter ever will.

I missed today's squabble debate in Parliament. I gather Bercow disallowed the deal to be voted on (or something)?

If, and when, the deal is allowed to be voted on and is rejected, does that mean we will leave with No Deal? If so do we still have to pay EU £billions?

It's all completely over my head now. I haven't a clue what's going on

Anyone else worried ?
Yes I am. People don't seem to realise that this will be a hundred times worse than the level of unrest we have currently because it will not longer be about difference of opinion, it will be about complete breakdown of faith in our political system. People think there is a return to populism now but it's nothing compared to the levels of populism we will see in a future where democracy has been wilfully obstructed. Populism in Europe is one of the reasons my dh and I chose to live here in the UK but at this rate, we'll be moving (not that that matters to anyone, just to say how strongly we feel about it).

@MeganBacon , it's cold and wet outside. That rather puts the dampener on civil unrest until the weather gets better. Consider it again in spring, nearer summer.

What unrest have you noticed Megan ?

That leaves the population of 65 million at the mercy of marching, raving, screaming, flag waving, intelligent, fanatics who know they are superior.

No that leaves 65 million people at the mercy of Parliamentary sovereignty. Not perfect, but its what we have in the UK. The problem is all those MP's have a duty to all their constituents as all those constituents quite rightly expect. They are generally expected to have read and digested all the information with regards to a situation and act accordingly in the best interests of all those constituents.
MP's voting to try and remove the no deal scenario is simply them acting in the best interests of their country and constituents.
MP's voting to try to be able to properly scrutinise and amend, where they see fit , the legislation related to the WA, is after all what they get paid to do on our behalf. If this means a short extension so it can all be dealt with properly, I don't see the issue, knowing we are essentially in the EU until December 2020 regardless ? It is still moving in the 'right' direction

If something is worth doing , it is worth doing well