Brexit Arms pop up pops up again!

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Quite coincidentally I too have been in negotiations today regarding the pubs licence and it's good news here as well, a deal has been agreed!!

There were no amendments or legal objections put forward so a shiny new licence has been issued and normal service can be resumed

Same rules apply.

Now let's hope Saturday's proceedings can go ahead without the usual dicking around and that what has been nigh on impossible during the last 3 years, a majority, can be achieved otherwise I feel we are off to hell in a handcart!

First drink is on the house 🍻🍷🍻🍷Cheers

It's tricky trying to explain things on here isn't it.

One assumes posters are of similar levels, but if course we must remember some posters maybe very very young.

Or just in experienced.

It's like Sally saying to dave I want a divorce and she's not allowed to divorce dave because she can't say precisely how the divorce will end?.. Who will get which furniture, which keep sake. What the house buy out will be.

It's a process where both sides negotiate yiu cannot possibly say when you make that declaration what it will end up looking like in terms of secondary details.

But the over Riding main detail is, that Sally most definitely wants to leave dave.

How can it be said clearer?! How?

Leavers want to leave the eu. That means they don't want to be tied by politics or socially etc.

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Bertrand you have always displayed a faux innocence when told that leavers have faced abusive language, seeing as your on this thread, having barged into this pub I hope you note that comment.

ghost

Did you see the twitter feed yesterday full, rammed full of clips of remain mps, saying repeatedly and very earnestly why we can't have a second referendum.?

Including kier?
I can't link on my phone but I'd love some posters on here to see it

It's not about secondary details. Prior to the referendum Farage talked about Norway style deal, post referendum it became a hard/clean brexit. May said no deal was better than a bad deal, turned out to be a bad bluff. Johnson voted against May's deal initially and now supports his own worse deal. Nobody could agree to a border in the Irish sea they said. Until they did. Farage opposes Johnsons deal. Brexit is a web of contradictions with leavers happy to swallow any shit because they cant articulate the biggest unicorn of all, a coherent brexit.

Re: democracy. Was the democracy of the general election of 2015 denied when another election was called just 2 years later?

Imagine if every time a Mntter asked about LTB the stock response was
"why would you make yourself poorer"?

Remoaners (as distinct from Remainers): know the cost of everything and the value of very little - might as well put the UK up for auction to highest bidder by their standards.

Re: democracy. Was the democracy of the general election of 2015 denied when another election was called just 2 years later?
Of course not, but general elections are not "once in a lifetime" decisions like referenda.

How about I totally agree.

Worried about their own pockets and not the political freedom of their children.

The price of everything and the value of nothing.

Comparing someone leaving a relationship to brexit is a really, really poor comparison.

The UK was put up for sale in the 1980s. Who builds the power stations, runs the railways and supplies the energy in the UK? Its rarely the British.

Brexit is a web of contradictions with leavers happy to swallow any shit because they cant articulate the biggest unicorn of all, a coherent brexit.
But do you think the fact that you don't like it matters more than upholding democracy?

ghost the crucial difference between Boris Deal and May Deal is the ability for the final destination to evolve over time, including a decision mechanism on borders and regulation exclusively for N Ireland as decided by N Ireland.

No need to decide the final destination now by prematurely and haphazardly tacking on all sorts of preconditions to WAB approval or indeed scuppering any Deal except No Deal.

Why are remainers not more worried about how utterly dire the situation will be if democracy is successfully obstructed and we end up remaining?

I think because they have become so caught up in their own cause which has in turn become more & more like an echo chamber as time has gone on.

They are blinded to the bigger picture (democracy, identity & consent to rule) and are focusing too much on tangibles like the economy, procedures & rules.

Referendums aren't once in a lifetime.

Remoaners (as distinct from Remainers): know the cost of everything and the value of very little

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The Tories cant be trusted on "final destinations" that's the problem.

Referendums aren't once in a lifetime
That is how they are framed, how this one was framed. Cameron said it.

ghost if I pay someone to clean my house or supply my energy or drive my train it does not mean that they own me.

UK plc makes its money sitting with its feet on the desk directing operations. That is why it has a trade deficit.

The Tories cant be trusted on "final destinations" that's the problem.

Well if the electorate agrees with your analysis then I'm sure we'll get a govt of a different colour at the upcoming GE to negotiate the final destination 🤷🏻‍♀️

Don't believe politicians when they are "framing".

Selling off state assets is auctioning. It was done by the government not the EU.

Tories know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

Parliament vs People goes from strength to strength

Why do you think the Government tried to bring back the MV, knowing full well that they couldn’t bring it back in the same session?

It’s just Cummings playing on the People v Parliament narrative.

It’s almost like the People don’t want Parliament to be sovereign?

Why do you think the Government tried to bring back the MV, knowing full well that they couldn’t bring it back in the same session?

It’s just Cummings playing on the People v Parliament narrative.

Well that's pretty bloody obvious continuity 🙄

He's playing a blinder imo

He's letting the anti-brexit, game-players show their true colours so that come the GE we have all seen what they really think.
That is, they don't give a fuck about upholding their promises - particularly the Labour liars - and they will do anything at all for power & to play political games

SNP & Lib Dem were very open about trying to stop Brexit at least, but their disgusting displays re not allowing GE has not gone unnoticed

So , 17.4 million people want to leave at all costs ? Are you absolutely sure about that ? All and any costs ? That's the most important thing in their lives, the biggest issue facing all those many varied lives ?

“Bertrand you have always displayed a faux innocence when told that leavers have faced abusive language, seeing as your on this thread, having barged into this pub I hope you note that comment.“

I think you must be mistaking me for someone else.

Maybe it's worth pointing out to the people who say a second referendum is needed because Leavers didn't know what they were voting for in 2016, that in the 1970s when we voted to join the EU people also didn't know what they were voting for. There was no inkling of the Euro, bailing out other countries, expansion into Eastern Europe, an ever increasing net monetary contribution by the U.K, never ending rules on food production, a ridiculous farm subsidy system which encourages farmers to actually harm their own land, and a destruction of its fishing industry.

There was also no knowledge of the benefits of the EU over the course of 30 years. Cross continent cooperation and movement of workers, which has increased the economy and wealth of the U.K. improvements in workers rights and environmental standards. Membership of a large and powerful trading block and so on.

What I'm saying is stop the nonsense of no one knows what the future will be because no one ever knows what the future will be.

He's playing a blinder imo

He’s playing to the ignorant.