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The deal won't pass. The extension will be denied.

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StealthPolarBear · 17/10/2019 14:28

Ahhhhh shiiit

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Acerbicc · 18/10/2019 12:01

I think the public appetite has changed and that the deal will pass.

BunchMunch · 18/10/2019 12:04

Also note than Jon Lansman has said any Lab MP's who support the deal should be deselected and replaced with a Socialist candidate at the next election.

FadingStar · 18/10/2019 12:04

I too think it will just about pass. But really it is all only guesswork. The only thing I am sure of is that it will be tight whatever way it goes.

Acerbicc · 18/10/2019 12:05

Even on the Today programme this morning Martha Kearney was acting as if Juncker had said no extension was possible. Why?

I heard that. Very odd.

howabout · 18/10/2019 12:10

Standing up against Jon Lansman and Momentum may be all the added incentive Labour MPs in Leave seats need to vote for the Deal.

BunchMunch · 18/10/2019 12:19

Yes that's what I thought too, howabout

Labour under Corbyn are simply not going to win an election. They need someone far more moderate (imo.)

Dusty01 · 18/10/2019 12:24

I think the public appetite has changed too. I voted to leave and I've changed my mind. I'm not the only one. I'll be going on the People's vote march tomorrow with others like me.

If this deal passes it will be a big mistake.

We need another chance to vote - now we know so much more what we are voting for.

BunchMunch · 18/10/2019 12:27

I agree. We need a GE as soon as possible.

Acerbicc · 18/10/2019 12:27

We need another chance to vote

I'd be amazed if it was stay!

I agree noone knew what they were voting for last time, I voted Remain as I rather like being in the EU. But I don't think anyone even now knows what Leave really means do they??

StealthPolarBear · 18/10/2019 12:40

Exactly dusty

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FadingStar · 18/10/2019 12:46

People are crying out for another chance to vote but there is no appetite among MPs for it, it seems. I can't see them going for it.

AlexaShutUp · 18/10/2019 12:48

I would love to have another vote but I don't think we'll get it. I suspect that Johnson will just about manage to push his deal through parliament and we'll all be worse off for it.

Still, at least we'll have taken back control.Hmm

Dusty01 · 18/10/2019 13:07

MPs are afraid that Leave might win again. I don't think that would be the case.

Honestly, I have never been very political. I wasn't very clued up when I voted to leave. But I felt strongly that I was doing the right thing. I was duped into thinking that it was a protest vote against the Tories and Austerity. Now I can't imagine why I felt that. But I've read that many others voted to leave for similar reasons.

Clearly we were all brainwashed.

And now - I can see how wrong we all were. I'm not the only one to feel this way.

MPs are worried that if Remain wins we'd have to keep on voting? The original vote will be the one that counts ... I don't understand any of that.

It's undemocratic to have another vote and not stand by the first? Why? We were lied to the first time. I'm furious that we were lied to and that I was tricked into voting to leave. There is nothing undemocratic about being allowed to vote again, the second time around, with the knowledge of what you are actually voting for.

AthollPlace · 18/10/2019 13:21

Imo Corbyn is determined not to pass a deal - any deal. The news this morning reported that he refused Boris’s deal half an hour before the details of said deal were even published.

AlexaShutUp · 18/10/2019 13:27

Honestly, I have never been very political. I wasn't very clued up when I voted to leave. But I felt strongly that I was doing the right thing. I was duped into thinking that it was a protest vote against the Tories and Austerity. Now I can't imagine why I felt that. But I've read that many others voted to leave for similar reasons.

Dusty, I admire your honesty in admitting this. I have a couple of colleagues who voted leave for similar reasons, and now bitterly regret it.

I genuinely don't understand how another vote, now that we know more, could possibly be considered undemocratic. It simply isn't true that the vote in 2016 has been ignored, as our politicians have spent precious little time on anything else since that time. Now that that work has been done, we know what the options are - essentially, Boris's deal, no deal or no Brexit. I guess you could make an argument to add May's deal into the mix as well.

Given that we still don't know what version of Brexit people were actually voting for (although I suspect in many cases it was the rainbows and unicorns variety which is no longer on the table), what could possibly be undemocratic about taking the options back to the people and asking them which one they want?

I appreciate that there probably isn't a clear majority for any one option, but if you used some sort of alternative vote system whereby people ranked all four options in order of preference, you would be able to identify which outcome most closely reflects "the will of the people". Make the outcome of a second referendum legally binding (unlike the first, which was merely advisory) and then we would have a clear way forward that parliament wouldn't dare block.

Dusty01 · 18/10/2019 13:38

That sums it up very clearly Alexa.

I wish we could communicate this to the people that have a say/voice ie our MPs - but it's all too rushed and too late in the day now.

They are in a bubble and can't see out to the real world and the real people. We need to be able to communicate our thoughts on this. I really feel that by not having a second vote we are being totally unheard.

Some MPs are listening. Many are panicking and, as a result, are being prevented from hearing the people so our government can do as it pleases.

The word 'democracy' has been weaponised.

This whole thing has been rigged.

OffTheShelfElf · 18/10/2019 14:06

I think it will (just) pass.

We're fucked.

AlexaShutUp · 18/10/2019 14:08

Dusty, have you written to your MP about how you feel? Might not make much difference but at least you'd feel that you were doing something.

I reckon my MP is probably sick of hearing from me. She has become my regular penpal. Grin

Timeywimey10 · 18/10/2019 14:11

My MP (who is ERG-lite) voted against May's deal all three times. But he's said he'll vote for Boris' deal because he's a man

Chivers53 · 18/10/2019 14:15

I think it will pass to be honest. Interesting that it was the tampon tax that was the final thing to be agreed on!

Dusty01 · 18/10/2019 14:16

My MP is of the same thinking as me. She is voting against this deal. People keep saying to write to your MP. But I don't feel I need to because she's already brilliant and so involved with her constituency and listens and is so active.

Do I still need to write to her. She's doing as much as she can. What more can she do?

OffTheShelfElf · 18/10/2019 14:18

Dusty, maybe write and tell her that you appreciate what she's doing. MPs, especially female MPs, get so much abuse and hassle. I imagine she'll be grateful for a bit of appreciation.

Dusty01 · 18/10/2019 14:33

I will do. She does get abuse. Thank you.

MyOtherProfile · 18/10/2019 15:10

But I don't feel I need to because she's already brilliant and so involved with her constituency and listens and is so active.

I'm so jealous! Ours is crap.

sashh · 18/10/2019 15:33

And if it doesn't pass in Stormont, a two year period to sort shit out rather than taking it away immediately.

Well the 2 years after triggering Article 50 went so well, what could go wrong in NI?

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