The deal won't pass. The extension will be denied.

[StealthPolarBear]

Ahhhhh shiiit

There is no cushioning for whoever presides over No Deal. Whoever is in power will be damned, possibly for good. The population won’t even remember or understand the whys and wherefores of how it came about they they would simply remember who was at the helm.

Not sure thats the case from historical precident.

Shortages serve to fuel, not counter nationalism.

The population will only see that Jc did not support a deal therefore facilitated no deal. Remainers have fought a good fight but Juncker has changed everything by saying no extension. I cannot see any way for labour or lib dens to look good now if Juncker holds that position. If Eu wavers then it’s all still to play for.

@TatianaLarina

"Really? They’d have been delighted if we’d chosen to stay, they’d have been delighted if we’d have taken an off the peg soft Brexit - both would have been less hassle than this."
Of course they'd have been delighted if we stayed, they need our EU contribution. Of course they'd have been delighted with a soft Brexit - but that wouldn't be a proper Brexit.
Just because something is a lot of hassle and time-consuming doesn't mean we should give in and accept a deal that wouldn't actually be a proper Brexit that was voted for by 52% of those who voted in the referendum.

@Idontwanttotalk

You cant actually be serious with this statement????

To be fair, I think no matter who had been leading the Tory Govt at the time of Theresa May's deal, no-one would have got this deal. The EU were determined to punish us and give as little as possible.

The EU were not trying to punish the UK, they were trying to protect one of their members (ireland) and also protect the validity of the EU. It is not their fault that the UK dont know what it wants.

I am of the view that Brexit should now be done, with no deal NI is severely compromised and with a deal its not really the Brexit people voted for.

It is help to no one now but really this whole exercise was never going to work

There is no comparable historical precedent.

Shortages fuel unrest, who reaps the benefit depends on who is in a position to capitalise. In the old USSR it was the Communists not the Tsarists who prevailed. Nationalism never really took off in Russia in the early 19c. Think of the Black Hundreds.

"As far as I can tell, in order to meet his hard line ‘we need to leave on 31st Oct’ stance, he has now got a deal that he was videoed as saying would be completely unacceptable to any Conservative government a couple of years ago.'
Oh that will be so he can show he's a man who is capable of listening to his party and compromising.

@Idontwanttotalk
This may come as a shock but the EU really dont 'need' the UKs contribution.
The one country that really would want the UK to stay in the EU is Ireland. I imagine most others are sick to their back teeth of the arrogance

Of course they'd have been delighted if we stayed, they need our EU contribution. Of course they'd have been delighted with a soft Brexit

Well if you agree with that then you will agree that your previous statement:

The EU were determined to punish us and give as little as possible.

is baloney.

Off topic but I never understood why Boris writing two letters is used agaisnt him as though, carefully weighing out both sides of the argument is a bad thing?

To me it's the perfectly sensible, educated thing to do? Didn't every one do the same? Carefully argue for both sides then choose one?

I know I did.

Merry, of course the eu need it, just an hour ago on sky news Germany interviewed, said they need to work out how much they are willing to pay into the eu coffers.
They said UK is net contributer and hole in finances needs to be plugged.

Why the DUP will not support the deal www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1017/1083949-dup-concerns/

@merrygoround51
"You cant actually be serious with this statement????"

To be fair, I think no matter who had been leading the Tory Govt at the time of Theresa May's deal, no-one would have got this deal. The EU were determined to punish us and give as little as possible.

"The EU were not trying to punish the UK, they were trying to protect one of their members (ireland) and also protect the validity of the EU."
Well clearly Theresa May didn't get this deal. Ministers and MPs were particularly unhappy with the backstop agreement and, no matter what she tried, she did not manage to reach the deal Boris Johnson did. I don't think, at that time, any PM including Boris Johnson could have secured this deal at that time. The EU were playing hard ball.

When I referred to punishment I wasn't referring to the Ireland issue. Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. Obviously they will, rightly, want to protect a member state.

I was referring to the whole scenario really where, right from the early days, it was made clear they would give us a hard time for having the impudence to want to leave.

but Juncker has changed everything by saying no extension.

Not really - there has been a lot of comment that what Juncker said has actually been misinterpreted.

cdtaylor doesn't read or listen to Irish media, let them think they can nick meds from ROI. Then get in the sea.

The EU will do what Angela Merkel tells them - thank god. We'll get an extension.

I think

at the time of Theresa May's deal, no-one would have got this deal.

Eh? Isn’t a border in the Irish Sea something we rejected previously?

wondering he was pretty unequivocal in the video clip I saw.

The deal won't pass and the EU 27 (not Juncker) will grant an extension in exchange for a GE.

Yes we rejected a border in the Irish Sea previously because the DUP didn't want NI to be treated differently (except for abortions and same sex marriages 🙄).

We are nowhere near any kind of finish line.

"@merrygoround51"
"This may come as a shock but the EU really dont 'need' the UKs contribution."
Then why are Germany up in arms, metaphorically, and not wanting to pay their %age of the shortfall due as a result of losing UK's contribution?

"The one country that really would want the UK to stay in the EU is Ireland. I imagine most others are sick to their back teeth of the arrogance"
Aw, we can still be mates with Ireland. It doesn't really matter which countries want us to stay in or leave the EU. We can co-operate with each other, trade with each other, be allies, support each other in intelligence and other matters, be friendly nations with us outside of the EU making our own decisions and laws and trading with whoever else we want to.

As far as Juncker is concerned they have a deal so an extension is not necessary. His reply to do you think it will pass in UK parliament is it’s not for me to say.

So the decision hasn’t been made he’s just thinking about his own hurdle and commenting on that.

We are leaving on 31st.

The choice before parliament is deal or no deal.

They need to decide how we are leaving. 'If' is not an option.

We are leaving on 31st.

How are they going to get around the Benn Act when Parliament vote down this deal?

phil
I buy generic meds.
I can get large packs of co codamol for £2/3

Nigel Farage is complaining about it and invoking the Benn Act. Why? We're leaving. He should be happy.

*We are leaving on 31st.

How are they going to get around the Benn Act when Parliament vote down this deal?*

The Benn^ Act requires Boris to ask for an extension. EU does not need to grant it.

It does not stop us leaving. If Parliament votes down the deal then the consequence is we leave with no deal. Unless EU grants an extension which it won't. Why would it?^
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